http://www.1st-chainsupply.com/attachments/misc/shackles/spa100.htm
I don't know how much shipping is.
Please note that shackles should not be used to connect two straps
(http://www.1st-chainsupply.com/images/Attachments/misc/shackleIMPTN.jpg)
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Whats the difference between the U.S.A. and the Import besides the price? ???
Quote from: HUMMDINGER on November 15, 2006, 01:04:23 AM
Whats the difference between the U.S.A. and the Import besides the price? ???
I heard one person say the quality may be an issue. I don't think so. The imports have to withstand the same testing the domestic one does. I would not be afraid to buy the cheaper ones. That is all I know about it.
About $14.42 Rob ==roll
Quote from: HUMMDINGER on November 15, 2006, 01:04:23 AM
Whats the difference between the U.S.A. and the Import besides the price? ???
not sure what the difference is on those particular ones, but at work I have both, and the only real difference is the unit of measurement...metric vs SAE....mm and KG, inches and tons (not to be confused with tonnes)
I got mine for $6 at a store in lansing same size I think they may be $10 now I got mine awhile ago.
$8 bucks at sam & jakes ==roxx
TSC had 3/4 shackles for like 8 bucks I think. They were a lot cheaper than the Warn Shackle hitch. I bought two.
in all my offroading i have never used these to pull anyone out....
why would you want to attach metal to a strap??? there is no need.
i thought this was 4x4 safety? maybe im not seeing this right, but i've been stuck and got others un-stuck perfectly fine with just a strap, never used metal, metal is the devil when you are pulling people out.
so how do you attach the strap to the 2 trucks? most people use a reciever hitch of some sort, and a shackle reciever...
Quote from: b.lee on November 19, 2006, 04:51:02 PM
in all my offroading i have never used these to pull anyone out....
why would you want to attach metal to a strap??? there is no need.
i thought this was 4x4 safety? maybe im not seeing this right, but i've been stuck and got others un-stuck perfectly fine with just a strap, never used metal, metal is the devil when you are pulling people out.
Please post a pic if you could..Are You wrapping it an axle or spring..I hope your just not setting on a ball????
even if the strap were cinched around an axle, how are you going to attach the other end?
tie it into a couple knots, around the frame or around the reese reciever.
maybe put a stick into the knots if you want it to be easily un-done.
Ever since people have been killed with metal ends,
I have never used them.
Cloth is alot more forgiving then metal. ==shrug
the shackle attached to good pull points on each truck is the safest way to attach the strap....the strap may break, but the shackle will stay attached to the truck
I like the pintle hitch. The ratings on pintles are usually more than a shackle. When doing recovery, most times I will attach the strap to my pintle with a 1.25/1.5 inch shackle to keep the loop of the strap from becoming damaged.
I had the shackles hooked in line with a military strap rated at 45k. The strap broke, but the shackles showed no damage or ill effects. I have no fear of these shackles failing.
I am going to call the international truck dealer in flint this week and see how much there tow hooks are for the semi trucks. I have one of these and they fit into a receiver hitch with a grade 8 pin. I think this would be safer than a receiver with a .75 or 1 inch shackle on it. I will have to find the ratings first to confirm.
what do you guys think?
Quote from: b.lee on November 21, 2006, 02:58:26 AM
tie it into a couple knots, around the frame or around the reese reciever.
maybe put a stick into the knots if you want it to be easily un-done.
I'm pretty sure that tying a knot in a strap weakens it and reduces the rating.
Quote from: Yota Bill on November 21, 2006, 03:16:33 AM
the shackle attached to good pull points on each truck is the safest way to attach the strap....the strap may break, but the shackle will stay attached to the truck
not trying to argue, just trying to put in my 2 cents....
but what/who says the shackle will stay attached???
too many of people die thinking the same thing.
if the bolts, or mount not is not strong enough, all the metal will come with the strap flying thru the air at the speed of a bullet towards the back of someone's head.
there are too many deaths for me to ever consider using anything heavy attached to a sling strap. If tying knots weakens the strap, I would still rather have the actual weak strap flying at me then a strap with a metal object acctached to one end....
Ive been using a sling strap with a loop at one end.
The other end was ripped off by trying to pull out a framed out lifted F-150.
The strap went flying and didnt even damage either truck or hurt anyone.
After that we jacked up the front of the truck, and used the broken strap to finish pulling him out.
Quote from: b.lee on November 21, 2006, 04:22:37 PM
not trying to argue, just trying to put in my 2 cents....
but what/who says the shackle will stay attached???
too many of people die thinking the same thing.
if the bolts, or mount not is not strong enough, all the metal will come with the strap flying thru the air at the speed of a bullet towards the back of someone's head.
there are too many deaths for me to ever consider using anything heavy attached to a sling strap. If tying knots weakens the strap, I would still rather have the actual weak strap flying at me then a strap with a metal object acctached to one end....
this is a good point. it is almost impossible to know if the person you are pulling has a safe hook point. Plus look at the ratings on trailer hitches. Using a 55,000 lb strap hooked up to a trailer hitch rated at 6,000 or 10,000 lbs.
I don't see many trailer hitches brake, but something to consider. I think the hitches are under rated.
Yeah, I've never seen a reese hitch brake, BUT anything is possible.
I'm sure its happened somewhere.
Quote from: b.lee on November 21, 2006, 09:58:46 PM
Yeah, I've never seen a reese hitch brake, BUT anything is possible.
I'm sure its happened somewhere.
I have seen one ripped off a jeep. the frame was rotted. the jeep was doing the pulling.
Quote from: b.lee on November 21, 2006, 09:58:46 PM
Yeah, I've never seen a reese hitch brake, BUT anything is possible.
I'm sure its happened somewhere.
Look in the pics section under big al's birthday pics they busted one on a s-10 that day. ==nana loll
m-57 supply has all sizes for 5 or 6 bucks and all different sizes. they have lots of other tools too FOR CHEAP
ive seen reese hiches fly off but it was do to unsafe installment. i have also seen a cleavis go through a window but it was a pin together type. as far as a 3/4 or 1in bolt style cleavis breaking and leaving the vehicle never seen that. i have also broke a 6inch strap pulling my truck out with a gmc astro semi truck as the tow vehicle and when the strap broke and hit the back of the cab it left a dent about 4 inches by four feet in the truck cab. i dont think the damage to a human body from a strap at that force would be any better than that of a cleavis and strap. if any body was at the benfit bog at creagers on miller lake rd in lapeer last year when the on the tractor got hurt then you know what i mean
oh yeah and the strap they were using that day had been tied in a bunch of knots tying broken straps or not using a cleavis is a accident waiting to happen. i dont want to sound like i know everything ive just seen a lot of accidents that should of been avoided just didnt know any better
3/4-1" IS FINE IF USED RIGHT, PUTTING 1 INBETWEEN 2 STRAPS IS WHERE p00 HAPPENS, STRAP BREAKES CLIEVES FLYS, SO ITS NOT THE CLIEVES ITS THE IMPROPPER USER.
Quote from: hrspwrjunkie355 on December 10, 2006, 04:42:09 AM
ive seen reese hiches fly off but it was do to unsafe installment. i have also seen a cleavis go through a window but it was a pin together type. as far as a 3/4 or 1in bolt style cleavis breaking and leaving the vehicle never seen that. i have also broke a 6inch strap pulling my truck out with a gmc astro semi truck as the tow vehicle and when the strap broke and hit the back of the cab it left a dent about 4 inches by four feet in the truck cab. i dont think the damage to a human body from a strap at that force would be any better than that of a cleavis and strap. if any body was at the benfit bog at creagers on miller lake rd in lapeer last year when the on the tractor got hurt then you know what i mean
I showed up later, remember Lukes charger stuck for 11 hours?
they all have different pull ratings just like your straps, I would not buy one without knowing the pull rating. also the scew in are hard to screw in and out after they get mud in the threads. I like the cotter pin release stlye.
the pin shackles have to have a higher rating than your strap. my .02
Quote from: 93redxj on December 29, 2006, 05:57:15 PM
they all have different pull ratings just like your straps, I would not buy one without knowing the pull rating. also the scew in are hard to screw in and out after they get mud in the threads. I like the cotter pin release stlye.
the pin shackles have to have a higher rating than your strap. my .02
the advantage of using screw pin shackles is that when you do not have the shackle alligned perfectly it is a lot harder to pull apart or break. In short it is more forgiving to rigging mistakes.
if the pin shackle goes through a bumper or hitch mount that is the right size to align the shackle the the pin type is fine. I will look for a pic to explain.
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b213/frankrizzo1972/shackle20loads.jpg)
if useing a round pin shackle with the example on the right the only thing holding the load is the cotter pin and lateral strength of the clevis legs.
I cannot see the pic but I understand what your saying and it makes good sense, and I can see why it would be stronger. I use more than what I need for rating when pulling out my little jeep, it doesn't take a lot of effort to free it up compared to something alot heavier.
so in conclusion you are correct 100%, and I think that everbody should know what will be the safest recovery equipment for their application. I only try pulling out vehicles of my size or smaller if their stuck deep, because I know that my jeep was not meant for heavy recovery. If I had to I have both types of shackles and would choose the strongest.
KNOW YOUR EQUIPMENT-ratings ect.
ive always used clevises (the screw type ones) im between 2 straps. but the thing to remember is to make sure that the straps aint in a position to pull against the threads of the clevis ( if u can understand what im sayin). but ive pulled out full size trucks in my jeep stuck to there axles and even wene there buried and stalled put like brutis mudman original mudder.
here is the pic
from my previous post
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b213/frankrizzo1972/shackle20loads.jpg)
Quote from: fukkinrizzo on December 18, 2006, 02:10:55 AM
Quote from: hrspwrjunkie355 on December 10, 2006, 04:42:09 AM
ive seen reese hiches fly off but it was do to unsafe installment. i have also seen a cleavis go through a window but it was a pin together type. as far as a 3/4 or 1in bolt style cleavis breaking and leaving the vehicle never seen that. i have also broke a 6inch strap pulling my truck out with a gmc astro semi truck as the tow vehicle and when the strap broke and hit the back of the cab it left a dent about 4 inches by four feet in the truck cab. i dont think the damage to a human body from a strap at that force would be any better than that of a cleavis and strap. if any body was at the benfit bog at creagers on miller lake rd in lapeer last year when the on the tractor got hurt then you know what i mean
I showed up later, remember Lukes charger stuck for 11 hours?
yes i remember the charger stuck that was some nasty mud that day.
never thought of using spacers (washers would be difficult aligning) good to know.
Quote from: 93redxj on January 12, 2007, 01:21:05 AM
never thought of using spacers (washers would be difficult aligning) good to know.
I use them on my 24k snatch block. they are sort of a pain, but after i used it a couple times things went a lot faster.
put the snatch block under freezing water, I've been there and I couldn't feel a thing.
thats what I would worry about with the washers.
regardless it is a great idea. and I would just have to stay above water level next time, at least during the cold months. I like to make it interesting it seems.
I guess you could weld the washers together or cheaper yet use a good tape to hold them together for alignment issues.
I went to Sam and Jake's on the north side of Lapeer and picked up some 1 inch and a 3.4 inch shackle(s). they were $9.99 and $6.99 respectively. Found a few other goodies there too.
Nice place
I BELIEVE IN SHACKLES AS LONG AS THEY ARE USED PROPERLY!!!!!! ;D
i can get screw in clevis' with a 1" pin and a 1.75" inside openning for $15.99 plus tax. contact Dan (safety cooridinator) with the moonlight stompers.
connecting straps together with clevis is fine as long as the clevis is positioned correctal between the two straps. ive connected straps and yanked the p00 out of them just to get the truck out because i dont call wreckers