Well what do ya use and why
ratchet straps or chains and binders?
i use 4 wrachet straps, because i could afford them, but i carry chains and binders with me.
i use two two inch wide ratchet straps
Ratchet straps are the most convenient but if I'm hauling something over 8,000 lbs. I use chains and binders.
I use 4 2" rachet straps, I feel there easier to use and less likely to come loose while traveling down the road.
got straps,but use chains,and binders.and put a lock on the binders handle,to keep it from coming undone.
straps I only use 2 or 3 on in front and 2 on rear or 1 front 1 rear(if I am only hualing to a short bogg)
anybody know where to get some chain for a decent price?
TSC wants 69.99 for 20 feet of transport chain
chain isn't cheap. but try harbor freight they got some there
i use straps :)
Quote from: Ranger Dave on December 30, 2008, 02:41:49 AM
i use 4 wrachet straps, because i could afford them, but i carry chains and binders with me.
Quote from: Mudbuster on December 30, 2008, 03:44:51 AM
I use 4 2" rachet straps, I feel there easier to use and less likely to come loose while traveling down the road.
Quote from: betterbeaters on December 30, 2008, 01:04:09 PM
straps I only use 2 or 3 on in front and 2 on rear or 1 front 1 rear(if I am only hualing to a short bogg)
Quote from: Squirell on December 30, 2008, 03:21:00 AM
i use two two inch wide ratchet straps
Quote from: betterbeaters on December 30, 2008, 01:04:09 PM
straps I only use 2 or 3 on in front and 2 on rear or 1 front 1 rear(if I am only hualing to a short bogg)
all it takes is one bad bump.... i use chains on the back with binders locked and straps up front (3inch) with a light chain just because lol
whenever i haul something i hook a chain up front, get it as tight as possible, put truck in neutral go around back and use a chain and binder in the rear (you know its tight when the tires look like they have a load on them), then put truck back in park... never had any trouble.. and it looks better if you get pulled over.
Quote from: Marion3 on December 30, 2008, 02:13:37 PM
anybody know where to get some chain for a decent price?
TSC wants 69.99 for 20 feet of transport chain
what size.. i sell chain at work
3/8" Grade 70
http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay_10551_10001_35749_-1______?rFlag=true&cFlag=1
I use 2 2 inch ratchet straps hooked to an axle strap front and rear.
chains only way to go.. DOT love to see straps on heavy p00 going down the highway or roads
we use chains on the farm traps just dont hold up to a 5000# tractor from fallin forward on a trailor
straps front and rear and i haul fast
4 straps
ALSO.... i believe technically you need one chain and one binder on all four corners of the vehicle... but thats just me, i use my straps.. to hold down my ramps or coolers, just paranoid that they will stretch and come lose
Quote from: 84Chevy on December 31, 2008, 07:20:16 PM
ALSO.... i believe technically you need one chain and one binder on all four corners of the vehicle... but thats just me, i use my straps.. to hold down my ramps or coolers, just paranoid that they will stretch and come lose
if i remember its all 4 corners and crossed by DOT standards...
Quote from: TOMAC on December 31, 2008, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: 84Chevy on December 31, 2008, 07:20:16 PM
ALSO.... i believe technically you need one chain and one binder on all four corners of the vehicle... but thats just me, i use my straps.. to hold down my ramps or coolers, just paranoid that they will stretch and come lose
hell i cant remember... my truck usually only had chains 1 front 1 rear... one snap binder and one ratchet binder
if i remember its all 4 corners and crossed by DOT standards...
note:
if you dont have straps or chains, what also works great is a piece of bubble gum under each tire.
Quote from: TOMAC on December 31, 2008, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: 84Chevy on December 31, 2008, 07:20:16 PM
ALSO.... i believe technically you need one chain and one binder on all four corners of the vehicle... but thats just me, i use my straps.. to hold down my ramps or coolers, just paranoid that they will stretch and come lose
if i remember its all 4 corners and crossed by DOT standards...
depends on what your hauling and the weight
law stipulates that you must fasten the object in such a fashion that in the event of a
mechanical failure of the fastening device (broken chain, strap etc...) the object will remain
securely fastened.
basically you need at least 3 chains, each one requires a binder, you shouldnt wrap
excess chain around the binder to prevent it from poppin open (DOT frowns on it)
Cross chaining technique ( TOMAC ) is a good rule of thumb but not required
and yes,, all 4 corners are supposed to be fastened.. but most people I see don't do it,
perfect reason to get pulled over by a bored cop.
in the event of an accident.. you can bet that a good lawyer would use it to the hilt.
Straps must be free of damage, fraying, cuts and are required to have the load rating printed on it for any load in excess of 10k
once again at least 3 straps.. yada yada yada
Quote from: Bigdaddy on December 30, 2008, 03:26:02 PM
i use straps :)Quote from: Ranger Dave on December 30, 2008, 02:41:49 AM
i use 4 wrachet straps, because i could afford them, but i carry chains and binders with me.
Quote from: Mudbuster on December 30, 2008, 03:44:51 AM
I use 4 2" rachet straps, I feel there easier to use and less likely to come loose while traveling down the road.
Quote from: betterbeaters on December 30, 2008, 01:04:09 PM
straps I only use 2 or 3 on in front and 2 on rear or 1 front 1 rear(if I am only hualing to a short bogg)
Quote from: Squirell on December 30, 2008, 03:21:00 AM
i use two two inch wide ratchet straps
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i use 3/8 grade 70 transport chains and ratcheting binders.
i use 4 straps one each corner. but the most disturbing thing i see at every event is that someone will have there load secured properly to a inaddequate tow vehicle ie. a half ton truck towing a trailer loaded heavily, trucks all have towing capasitys many ignore them safty,safty,SAFTY people
yeah.. very unsafe.. i know i need trailer brakes.. ever since i hooked 2600lb to the back of my s10 and tried to stop on dirt i relized how much trailer brakes help!
gotta remember on most pickups 70% of your stopping power is to the front tires, which leaves only 30% for your rear tires.. (older trucks of course) they had proportioning valves but weather or not they worked is a differnt story.
I use Straps on cars, prefer chains on truck, ....1 chain to the rear axle, 2 chains on front each with a binder.I have had straps loosen up before.
Quote from: TOMAC on December 30, 2008, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: betterbeaters on December 30, 2008, 01:04:09 PM
straps I only use 2 or 3 on in front and 2 on rear or 1 front 1 rear(if I am only hualing to a short bogg)
all it takes is one bad bump.... i use chains on the back with binders locked and straps up front (3inch) with a light chain just because lol
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i ALWAYS binder the rear, to keep it from rolling foward if you do have to stop fast.....
usually 2 straps on front of frame to keep it from goin backward.. and usually 1 or 2 to compress suspension slighly.
yeah i think im gunna use 2 binders in the front on each shackle, and one on the rear over both
i use chains u wont have to worry about a strap commin loose
Quote from: duel1985 on January 10, 2009, 10:07:37 PM
i use chains u wont have to worry about a strap commin loose
chains come loose to...
ok this i gotta post in this one....ive used both a my full size stepper...when i went down to indiana to trade it off i used straps front and rear....somebody pulled out in front of me and I had to stomp on the brakes...the rear straps came loose and the truck come off the front of the trailer....what a mess..lucky it didnt hit my dd because the pig got hung up in the tongue of the trailer...i will never use straps again....i live the security of the binders and chain..i also use a pipe to close my binders that way i can get them super retarded tight....just my 2 cents!!
when i use chains i use them ratcheting binders way easier than the other type
Chain and binder front and rear plus use straps to take up rest slack don't move at all ==np
we just had a big meeting about this at work earlier this yr your supposed to have a chain and binder (ratchet type are the prefered ones) on each corner of your vehicle and if your hauling equipment like backhoe excavator etc you supposed to have the bucket secured with another chain front bucket and back and the outriggers are supposed to have a chain between them to hold them from falling tha being said
I USE 5 STRAPS 2 FRONT 2 BACK AND 1 ON THE CROSS MEMBER LOL ASK DERIK HOW LONG IT TAKES ME TO STRAP A TRUCK LMAO
Chains
i use 4 straps on the big truck. havent had a problem yet...
Quote from: JeepinJohn on December 30, 2008, 07:16:53 AM
got straps,but use chains,and binders.and put a lock on the binders handle,to keep it from coming undone.
Seen a guy using 2 straps and the rear one ripped. The rig was partially parked on his tow rig. The trailor jack went through the trans and it was not a good day for him.
Lol mudfit yeah u needed one more strap to hold the axle under the trailer! ==roll
4 chains 4 binders, crossed, attached to that axle, about 45* out, zip tie and wrap the chain around the handles to make sure they dont pop off...... that being said, being a truck driver in the Army i get to deal with a lot of in experienced drivers.... the stuff these guys do is crazy.... like use 4 ratches straps with a load rating under 3000 pounds on an up armored humvee..... But we haul a lot of rolling stock... just today i had to tie down 4 semi's, im getting pretty quick....
i use the 30.K straps on 4 corners, never had a propblem
what u dont use bungee cords j/k i use chains had a rear strap break once and my s10 decieded to kiss the back of my burban lucky my front end crawled back on to the trailer, i was stuck in the middle of the intersection it could of been way worse
2 2 inch ratchet straps hooked to axle straps front and rear
Quote from: puddlejumper on December 23, 2009, 12:52:33 AM
2 2 inch ratchet straps hooked to axle straps front and rear
that is what i do
i used to use straps until my buddie was hauling one of my trucks and the stap broke going around a corner and the truck came off the trailer.now i only use chains and binders when hauling a truck or car.but the freind (dirtydog) still uses staps and hasn't had any problems.but then again some guys are hard headed. lol
Gotta start hauling the rig this year, buying my trailer tommorow, think im gonna go with chains and binders for the k5
2 chains 2 binders ==np with wire to keep the binder from getting loose
....i live the security of the binders and chain..i also use a pipe to close my binders that way i can get them super retarded tight...
Bought 4 chains and binders to haul the k5 with and it didnt move a inch! I'm happy with that choice!
I'm in the trucking business. The rule is if you have a vehicle that rolls (wheels) over 10k you need 1 tie down on each corner. Under 10k you need 1 front and back. straps are fine, but they cannot be cut or be hooked up in a way that they will be cut in an accident or emergency stop.
Chains are nice because you dont have to worry about the cutting. Straps are nice because they are light and easier to use.
make sure you know how to properly use whichever type of tie down you choose.
If your using straps you need to inspect them and make sure they dont have any cuts more than 1/4 of the way across the strap. also make sure whatever you wrap them around on the truck does not have any sharp (this includes square edges).
over 10k
Protection against shifting and falling cargo
§393.130 What are the rules for securing heavy vehicles, equipment and machinery?
(a) Applicability. The rules in this section apply to the transportation of heavy vehicles, equipment and machinery which operate on wheels or tracks, such as front end loaders, bulldozers, tractors, and power shovels and which individually weigh 4,536 kg (10,000 lb.) or more. Vehicles, equipment and machinery which is lighter than 4,536 kg (10,000 lb.) may also be secured in accordance with the provisions of this section, with §393.128, or in accordance with the provisions of §§393.100 through 393.114.
(b) Preparation of equipment being transported. (1) Accessory equipment, such as hydraulic shovels, must be completely lowered and secured to the vehicle.
(b)(2) Articulated vehicles shall be restrained in a manner that prevents articulation while in transit.
(c) Securement of heavy vehicles, equipment or machinery with crawler tracks or wheels. (1) In addition to the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section, heavy equipment or machinery with crawler tracks or wheels must be restrained against movement in the lateral, forward, rearward, and vertical direction using a minimum of four tiedowns.
(c)(2) Each of the tiedowns must be affixed as close as practicable to the front and rear of the vehicle, or mounting points on the vehicle that have been specifically designed for that purpose.
under 10k
Protection against shifting and falling cargo
§393.128 What are the rules for securing automobiles, light trucks and vans?
(a) Applicability. The rules in this section apply to the transportation of automobiles, light trucks, and vans which individually weigh 4,536 kg. (10,000 lb) or less. Vehicles which individually are heavier than 4,536 kg (10,000 lb) must be secured in accordance with the provisions of §393.130 of this part.
(b) Securement of automobiles, light trucks, and vans.
(b)(1) Automobiles, light trucks, and vans must be restrained at both the front and rear to prevent lateral, forward, rearward, and vertical movement using a minimum of two tiedowns.
(b)(2) Tiedowns that are designed to be affixed to the structure of the automobile, light truck, or van must use the mounting points on those vehicles that have been specifically designed for that purpose.
(b)(3) Tiedowns that are designed to fit over or around the wheels of an automobile, light truck, or van must provide restraint in the lateral, longitudinal and vertical directions.
(b)(4) Edge protectors are not required for synthetic webbing at points where the webbing comes in contact with the tires.
Also in trucking and agree w/ ^^^
we do fall under DOT regulations while transporting..
binders require wire ties to prevent them from coming undone while underway also..
wrapping your extra chain around the binder is a no no.. nonoo
use 2 2inch straps on back and a chain and binder on front never moves and put wire on binder.
Quote from: Trent on July 04, 2011, 03:55:19 AM
Quote from: Hammerlane on December 11, 2010, 04:18:27 PM
Also in trucking and agree w/ ^^^
we do fall under DOT regulations while transporting..
binders require wire ties to prevent them from coming undone while underway also..
wrapping your extra chain around the binder is a no no.. nonoo
why is wrapping your extra chain around the binder a no no?
x2 ???
Quote from: Trent on July 04, 2011, 03:55:19 AM
Quote from: Hammerlane on December 11, 2010, 04:18:27 PM
Also in trucking and agree w/ ^^^
we do fall under DOT regulations while transporting..
binders require wire ties to prevent them from coming undone while underway also..
wrapping your extra chain around the binder is a no no.. nonoo
why is wrapping your extra chain around the binder a no no?
DOT says that it is not a proper locking method for binders..
they must be secured in such a manner that they cannot pop open..
has to do with load securement regs..
also, with chains.. if you drop your hook down thru a stake pocket and bring it back around to hook on
the top of the pocket .. also a no no, the pressure exerted on the hook and the link that makes the turn are incorrect..
chains are designed for straight pull, steady pressure only.. any side loading of the links/hook are unacceptable.
by DOT definition you must drop the hook down thru the stake pocket and attach it at the bottom edge of the pocket.
Just FYI
2 straps & a safety chain in the front & the same in the rear, all ways need a good chain on front & back !! just feels safer !! & never know what might happen ?? ==np
the few times I've been able to use my cousins trailer I use chains and his trailer has a 15,000# winch, chain the back, winch it tight and chain the front...
We haul ugly loads daily! 2 chains 4 binders per truck... we use the big straps to hold lite stuff down.. hoods, doors, bs like that... i cant believe all the people that use straps, not safe IMO. More brave than i am !
aepends on what your haulin, light trucks are fine strapped down, rockwells and big blocks and trractor tires and transfer case combos start gettin heavy lol
i use straps and chains just depends wat i have but my truck isnt to heavy and i dont drive crazy...
Quote from: puddlejumper on December 23, 2009, 12:52:33 AM
2 2 inch ratchet straps hooked to axle straps front and rear
I tend to "over do it" and mega strap n chain mine down.
I use 2 Chains with binders and 3 straps. Use my straps first to compress the suspension a bit, then chain the axles with front and rear with pressure. Once the chains are in, I'll crank the straps just a bit more. Seems to work. I did learn here though to use metal wire on my binders. Thanks for the info!
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Quote from: CBakes on August 07, 2011, 05:44:46 PM
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Now.. I would have to say that, That! is a properly secured load..
Quote from: Hammerlane on August 07, 2011, 07:31:29 PM
Quote from: CBakes on August 07, 2011, 05:44:46 PM
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Now.. I would have to say that, That! is a properly secured load..
Thanks, I don't like to mess around with potential trailering issues. I've seen some bad outcomes and don't want to be a part of it.
Quote from: CBakes on August 08, 2011, 08:47:47 PM
Quote from: Hammerlane on August 07, 2011, 07:31:29 PM
Quote from: CBakes on August 07, 2011, 05:44:46 PM
1 more.
Now.. I would have to say that, That! is a properly secured load..
Thanks, I don't like to mess around with potential trailering issues. I've seen some bad outcomes and don't want to be a part of it.
4 Chains And 4 Binders Crossed Is Only Way My Truck Will Be Loaded Up....Even If Its A U-Haul loll
4 chains and binders and 1 safety chain on the front i wire the binders shut ive always put my chains threw the pocket and hooked onver the top always thought that was the way to do it but i guess ill have to look into it also make shure the chains ya use are in good shape no ground down links and have a heavy enough weight rating for what yer haulin