i herd my mom saying that we might be going to war with libya
does that worry you Paulie?
no it dosent realy wory me
when I was younger Desert Storm worried me...
they must have done something "we didnt like" lol here comes team america f#$% yeah! policing the world one country at a time ;D
I think its the killing of innocent civilians that ticks us off..
i think its beacuse gadafi wont reason with us or something like that
it sucks but innocent civilians get killed in all wars
Quote from: 355REDNECK on March 18, 2011, 11:44:39 PM
i think its beacuse gadafi wont reason with us or something like that
I don't even like to look a his picture..he gives me the creeps!
i think america needs to keep their nose on their own face, and not in everyone elses business...
I think we can't afford to take care of other countries....we can't afford our own country.....but I think its kinda like....if we are there for them then later they will be there for us if we need it...maybe?
Quote from: Le Dude on March 19, 2011, 03:40:22 AM
i think america needs to keep their nose on their own face, and not in everyone elses business...
amen
Quote from: mudboggshirts on March 19, 2011, 03:45:44 AM
I think we can't afford to take care of other countries....we can't afford our own country.....but I think its kinda like....if we are there for them then later they will be there for us if we need it...maybe?
they dont want us there.
Well, he's already torchin oil wells for one thing, and thats drivin up the gas price. Why do we care? Because we dont want to use our own oil reserves. Why dont we want to use our own oil reserves? If everybody likes eggs, and everybody has plenty eggs, its all good. I like eatin eggs and so do most folks. If we get a little short on supply of eggs, I'm gonna buy your eggs for as long as you got them, and hang on to mine for as long as I can so I will always have eggs from now on. One day I will have eggs and nobody else will. Leave the US oil reserve alone, we might be needin it some day. Thats one of the many reasons we stick our nose in this crap, is because we have what is called a VESTED INTEREST. That Gadhaffi is a real nutcase, and how can we call ourselves civilized if we stand by and allow this idiot to commit these kind of atrocities??? Them rebels need help, they just want the bs to stop. Put yourself in their shoes - would you like it, livin in total fear all the time? Hes a mini Hussein! Take him and his bunch out and let them folks live a normal life. It wont be much of a war, you can believe that..
then THEY should do something about it. We have our own problems. ==2cents we can just chill over here with our bad eggs lol
Quote from: old school truck dude on March 19, 2011, 04:33:43 AM
Well, he's already torchin oil wells for one thing, and thats drivin up the gas price. Why do we care? Because we dont want to use our own oil reserves. Why dont we want to use our own oil reserves? If everybody likes eggs, and everybody has plenty eggs, its all good. I like eatin eggs and so do most folks. If we get a little short on supply of eggs, I'm gonna buy your eggs for as long as you got them, and hang on to mine for as long as I can so I will always have eggs from now on. One I will have eggs and nobody else will. Leave the US oil reserve alone, we might be needin it some day. Thats one of the many reasons we stick our nose in this crap, is because we have what is called a VESTED INTEREST. That Gadhaffi is a real nutcase, and how can we call ourselves civilized if we stand by and allow this idiot to commit these kind of atrocities??? Them rebels need help, they just want the bs to stop. Put yourself in their shoes - would you like it, livin in total fear all the time? Hes a mini Hussein! Take him and his bunch out and let them folks live a normal life. It wont be much of a war, you can believe that..
very well said Old School....Thankyou....helps to understand it all ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R325K6alVlA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R325K6alVlA#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-qm9U3X3EU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-qm9U3X3EU#)
==2cents
Quote from: lilred on March 19, 2011, 04:39:58 AM
then THEY should do something about it. We have our own problems. ==2cents we can just chill over here with our bad eggs lol
Quote from: old school truck dude on March 19, 2011, 04:33:43 AM
Well, he's already torchin oil wells for one thing, and thats drivin up the gas price. Why do we care? Because we dont want to use our own oil reserves. Why dont we want to use our own oil reserves? If everybody likes eggs, and everybody has plenty eggs, its all good. I like eatin eggs and so do most folks. If we get a little short on supply of eggs, I'm gonna buy your eggs for as long as you got them, and hang on to mine for as long as I can so I will always have eggs from now on. One I will have eggs and nobody else will. Leave the US oil reserve alone, we might be needin it some day. Thats one of the many reasons we stick our nose in this crap, is because we have what is called a VESTED INTEREST. That Gadhaffi is a real nutcase, and how can we call ourselves civilized if we stand by and allow this idiot to commit these kind of atrocities??? Them rebels need help, they just want the bs to stop. Put yourself in their shoes - would you like it, livin in total fear all the time? Hes a mini Hussein! Take him and his bunch out and let them folks live a normal life. It wont be much of a war, you can believe that..
Theyre tryin hard as they can and gettin their butts kicked loll They dont want us to do it for them, they just want a lil help, ya know? Gadhaffi has all the guns, and there probably aint many rocks over there in that sand to throw at him
Quote from: Le Dude on March 19, 2011, 03:40:22 AM
i think america needs to keep their nose on their own face, and not in everyone elses business...
We tried that when Hitler was in power, then Japan decided to make Pearl Harbor happen. If we have to fight, I would rather it in someone elses backyard. The problem I have is we are inconsistant. If we are going to get in some a-hole leader's face for killing innocent people or other ruthless stuff, then we can't say its okay for another guy to do it because we are allies with their country... We have to be conisistant.
Over all though I would prefer we fix our problems first, the world doesn't work that way though. If we don't adress problems elsewhere, those problems will appear on our shores.
I think the OP was right. :P
hmmm.. just leave um' alone...
sit back an take care of our own
don't get involved
it's not our fight
yada... yada...
If the bully on the playground has you in mind.. and he's bigger, meaner and has friends to back him up
I should just sit back and let him ??? ok, but remember when your crying for help (the rebels) while him and his
cronies are kickin you ... for your lunch money, you don't want my help.
He is a dictator that uses oppression/intimidation (that means he'll starve you, beat you up, not allow you the means to survive) to
maintain power.. he's been in power for over 40 yrs.. and is a wacked nut case!!
Sometimes.. steppin in and helping the lil' kid on the playground is the right thing to do.
and so far.. Obama says "no ground troops" we are assisting the rebel element to gain a stronger foot hold to fight their own fight.
ISOLATIONISM............mind our OWN GD business.
We cant even take care of our own Fkin peaple who are poor, cant find work......................but yet........lets get involved in another war that will end up lasting 8 GD years like IRAQ and Afganistan........with no end in sight.
When has there been a 50 year period in U.S. History where WE were not involved in war???????? there hasnt been!!!!!
you can't afford not to be involved...and if u think u can you r just p00 ing yourself. it will cost this country far more to do nothing which the educated people seem to understand. our freedom's we take for granted r not free and what some of u people call sticking our nose into stuff it doesn't belong is because you really don't understand how the world works and u should just say thankyou to the people that do and fight for the freedom's u take for granted everyday.
well if i was almighty king...
i would send in mercenaries to kill him, then have them kill and maim the rest of his supporters. they will get the point. any one that supports him, cut their left hand off, so the rebels of the country know who been screwing them for 40 years... i think they will know what to do when they see them.
x2 take care of your own homefront 1st...
Quote from: 7387chevynut on March 20, 2011, 04:19:18 PM
ISOLATIONISM............mind our OWN GD business.
We cant even take care of our own Fkin peaple who are poor, cant find work......................but yet........lets get involved in another war that will end up lasting 8 GD years like IRAQ and Afganistan........with no end in sight.
When has there been a 50 year period in U.S. History where WE were not involved in war???????? there hasnt been!!!!!
Quote from: Hammerlane on March 20, 2011, 02:49:58 PM
hmmm.. just leave um' alone...
sit back an take care of our own
don't get involved
it's not our fight
yada... yada...
If the bully on the playground has you in mind.. and he's bigger, meaner and has friends to back him up
I should just sit back and let him ??? ok, but remember when your crying for help (the rebels) while him and his
cronies are kickin you ... for your lunch money, you don't want my help.
He is a dictator that uses oppression/intimidation (that means he'll starve you, beat you up, not allow you the means to survive) to
maintain power.. he's been in power for over 40 yrs.. and is a wacked nut case!!
Sometimes.. steppin in and helping the lil' kid on the playground is the right thing to do.
and so far.. Obama says "no ground troops" we are assisting the rebel element to gain a stronger foot hold to fight their own fight.
I think the right thing to do is take care of our own country, the homeless kids, starving families, people losing their houses...we was once a super power and a country to be reckoned with, now we are broke, jobs are going to other countries every day, China owns us in more ways than one.
We are not even done paying for the billions spent in Iraq that we had to borrow...now what are we going to do borrow more money to invade Libya. I got an idea...have the country that is going to borrow us the money to do this invade them, they have the money we don't.
Iraq just pissed me off, we blow them up and then we spend billions of dollars rebuilding their country all the while still getting shot at and bombed and for what? Was it protecting our own interest?
If we blow a country up in a war then they should rebuild it themselves, or at the very least we should have taken every drop of Iraq's oil in exchange for services rendered. You don't enter a boxing match with the intent on breaking someones nose and when you do pay for their medical bill.
As far as our oil reserves go do you really think that is for us? When oil supply's run low the Government will sell it to the highest bidder, mark my words other countries will be getting a lot of that oil!
Quote from: Le Dude on March 20, 2011, 05:43:51 PM
well if i was almighty king...
i would send in mercenaries to kill him, then have them kill and maim the rest of his supporters. they will get the point. any one that supports him, cut their left hand off, so the rebels of the country know who been screwing them for 40 years... i think they will know what to do when they see them.
Yup. In the olden times they stuck their heads on poles.. Gets the message across ==evillaugh
I agree on several of the "other " issues, taking care of our own etc.. don't get me wrong..
however... there are other "reasons" to be "assisting" in this remember, no ground troops have been committed (yet)
and according to Obama, none will.. asssitance has come from naval and airforce (from a distance) as well as our allies.. cruize missles and aircraft that's bout' it..
do you know who actually made the first strike ??? France, of all people.
Do you know WHY we are there ??? because the rebels (the ones fighting the dictator) asked for help.. really.. someone cried help in defeating a bully ( by imposing a no fly zone ).. and the Americans, British and French showed up, and somehow that makes US the bad guy ???
Now, if it turns out Obama does send in ground troops the game changes..
so far, these assets we have dedicated won't do much to help "our own" unless you need a job and want to join the Navy ==shrug
W/ Iraq.. we were lied too in order to obtain the "ok" to invade.. and I don't see us "at war" with this.. we are assisting the rebels of that country get a foot hold.
From this mornings news:
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the U.S. expects to turn control of the mission over to a coalition ? probably headed either by the French and British or by NATO ? "in a matter of days."
i wonder if toby keith is gonna make money on this one too?
Quote from: Le Dude on March 19, 2011, 03:40:22 AM
i think america needs to keep their nose on their own face, and not in everyone elses business...
for sure man!!!!!
were just trying to make buddies in the far east and stuff so when world war 3 starts weve got the oil to fight the war
Quote from: Hammerlane on March 21, 2011, 01:29:09 PM
From this mornings news:
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the U.S. expects to turn control of the mission over to a coalition ? probably headed either by the French and British or by NATO ? "in a matter of days."
Just like Somalia, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistan huh? How did all those places work out for us?
Theres alot more to it than what the public is being made aware of.
Quote from: old school truck dude on March 21, 2011, 07:41:57 PM
Theres alot more to it than what the public is being made aware of.
you mean to tell me the govt could be doing things without us knowing? you gotta be kiddin me...
Quote from: Le Dude on March 21, 2011, 07:51:23 PM
Quote from: old school truck dude on March 21, 2011, 07:41:57 PM
Theres alot more to it than what the public is being made aware of.
you mean to tell me the govt could be doing things without us knowing? you gotta be kiddin me...
Yes, believe it or not.. ==lmaoo
;D
Quote from: Disturban on March 21, 2011, 03:04:18 AM
Quote from: Hammerlane on March 20, 2011, 02:49:58 PM
hmmm.. just leave um' alone...
sit back an take care of our own
don't get involved
it's not our fight
yada... yada...
If the bully on the playground has you in mind.. and he's bigger, meaner and has friends to back him up
I should just sit back and let him ??? ok, but remember when your crying for help (the rebels) while him and his
cronies are kickin you ... for your lunch money, you don't want my help.
He is a dictator that uses oppression/intimidation (that means he'll starve you, beat you up, not allow you the means to survive) to
maintain power.. he's been in power for over 40 yrs.. and is a wacked nut case!!
Sometimes.. steppin in and helping the lil' kid on the playground is the right thing to do.
and so far.. Obama says "no ground troops" we are assisting the rebel element to gain a stronger foot hold to fight their own fight.
I think the right thing to do is take care of our own country, the homeless kids, starving families, people losing their houses...we was once a super power and a country to be reckoned with, now we are broke, jobs are going to other countries every day, China owns us in more ways than one.
We are not even done paying for the billions spent in Iraq that we had to borrow...now what are we going to do borrow more money to invade Libya. I got an idea...have the country that is going to borrow us the money to do this invade them, they have the money we don't.
Iraq just pissed me off, we blow them up and then we spend billions of dollars rebuilding their country all the while still getting shot at and bombed and for what? Was it protecting our own interest?
If we blow a country up in a war then they should rebuild it themselves, or at the very least we should have taken every drop of Iraq's oil in exchange for services rendered. You don't enter a boxing match with the intent on breaking someones nose and when you do pay for their medical bill.
As far as our oil reserves go do you really think that is for us? When oil supply's run low the Government will sell it to the highest bidder, mark my words other countries will be getting a lot of that oil!
you both have great points on the matter, but i have 1 question. how many other countries are there in the world? where are they? why cant they say "well america, you guys do alot for us, so why dont you sit this one out, and we will take care of it." we do all this helping, but what do we get in return?
Quote from: Le Dude on March 21, 2011, 08:13:20 PM
Quote from: Disturban on March 21, 2011, 03:04:18 AM
Quote from: Hammerlane on March 20, 2011, 02:49:58 PM
hmmm.. just leave um' alone...
sit back an take care of our own
don't get involved
it's not our fight
yada... yada...
If the bully on the playground has you in mind.. and he's bigger, meaner and has friends to back him up
I should just sit back and let him ??? ok, but remember when your crying for help (the rebels) while him and his
cronies are kickin you ... for your lunch money, you don't want my help.
He is a dictator that uses oppression/intimidation (that means he'll starve you, beat you up, not allow you the means to survive) to
maintain power.. he's been in power for over 40 yrs.. and is a wacked nut case!!
Sometimes.. steppin in and helping the lil' kid on the playground is the right thing to do.
and so far.. Obama says "no ground troops" we are assisting the rebel element to gain a stronger foot hold to fight their own fight.
I think the right thing to do is take care of our own country, the homeless kids, starving families, people losing their houses...we was once a super power and a country to be reckoned with, now we are broke, jobs are going to other countries every day, China owns us in more ways than one.
We are not even done paying for the billions spent in Iraq that we had to borrow...now what are we going to do borrow more money to invade Libya. I got an idea...have the country that is going to borrow us the money to do this invade them, they have the money we don't.
Iraq just pissed me off, we blow them up and then we spend billions of dollars rebuilding their country all the while still getting shot at and bombed and for what? Was it protecting our own interest?
If we blow a country up in a war then they should rebuild it themselves, or at the very least we should have taken every drop of Iraq's oil in exchange for services rendered. You don't enter a boxing match with the intent on breaking someones nose and when you do pay for their medical bill.
As far as our oil reserves go do you really think that is for us? When oil supply's run low the Government will sell it to the highest bidder, mark my words other countries will be getting a lot of that oil!
you both have great points on the matter, but i have 1 question. how many other countries are there in the world? where are they? why cant they say "well america, you guys do alot for us, so why dont you sit this one out, and we will take care of it." we do all this helping, but what do we get in return?
so far....not a GD thing.......
we get the bill for everything man
Not a completely accurate statement..we do maintain our status as the baddest Mutha's on the planet.. ==rocks
not to mention we will what we can to someone in need..
so we do have Karma on our side... for what thats worth..
Yup, thats how it is when youre the #1 world power. Gotta show folks whats ok and what aint. Im all for what theyre doin and wish I could get in there and get some of it, too. I dont like seein innocents bein mistreated. I've had people come up to me in tears, huggin me and thankin me for what we did. Its a hell of a feelin..
I agree,
I mean isn't there a thread in here about helping people out.. most responded that they do.. it's a good thing to do.
but now it's not.. George Carlin had a bit on that.. really made one think.
I've read thru this whole thread and I just want to say: ==timeout ==timeout
Please, lets keep it civil.. we all have our own opinions, some we are very passionate about..
I'm ok with that and guilty from time to time myself, lets discuss, agree to disagree without malice.. I mean no disrespect to anyone or their opinion.. cool ==++
Thats what we fight for, the freedom to express our opinions. Them rebels apparently have decided they have an opinion and want to express it - guess weve done helped them with that a little bit, lol ;D
Quote from: old school truck dude on March 22, 2011, 01:51:51 AM
Thats what we fight for, the freedom to express our opinions. Them rebels apparently have decided they have an opinion and want to express it - guess weve done helped them with that a little bit, lol ;D
Yes we did ==roll
Thanks for understanding.. I think.. ==shrug ==go confusedd
Newest news this morning, now the rebels intentions are in question..
obviously they want a new government in place but it seems their (the rebels) loose knit government they wish
to impose has alot of "Family" ties and not securly structured.. when questioned on "how to _____" (pick a topic) they are
unable to express a viable ways and means to accomplish..
could have just been the article I read but it seems the other side of the coin now has to state their case.
Quote from: Hammerlane on March 22, 2011, 03:20:40 PM
Thanks for understanding.. I think.. ==shrug ==go
Newest news this morning, now the rebels intentions are in question..
obviously they want a new government in place but it seems their (the rebels) loose knit government they wish
to impose has alot of "Family" ties and not securly structured.. when questioned on "how to _____" (pick a topic) they are
unable to express a viable ways and means to accomplish..
i bet good ole america knows whats best for them!
Im sure they are experiencing quite a bit of confusion about what they want to do, theyre gonna have to let the smoke clear a little and sort through some things. Im not much for answerin complex questions right after Ive been shelled by several different countries, wow give them a minute to breath the air of freedom from tyranny loll
Well, rebels are making headway.. aiming for Ghadafi's home town next..
stratigic air strikes and no-fly are working.
Obama is supposed to announce the transfer of control to the U.N.
applaudd ;D Not much of a "war", was it? loll
Quote from: Hammerlane on March 22, 2011, 12:50:38 AM
Not a completely accurate statement..we do maintain our status as the baddest Mutha's on the planet.. ==rocks
not to mention we will what we can to someone in need..
so we do have Karma on our side... for what thats worth..
What hammerlane said kinda reminds me of the great white fleet
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/battleswars1900s/p/greatwhitefleet.htm (http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/battleswars1900s/p/greatwhitefleet.htm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Fleet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Fleet)
and if i remember my history (i could be wrong about this) i think we were there before in the 80's, trying to do the same thing?
What i think, why let dicatators (sp) have power when we have kicked and tryed to kick others off there high horse? I am for and against this help to the rebels. For because I am driving a truck that gets between 15-18 mpg and cant afford gas as it is. But we are in Iraq and Afganistan (sp) and cant afford to split our troops out much more.
All i can say on this. If we end up at war over there i will totally suppose our troops for fighting for there rights/what they thing is right, and or what they are told to do.
Quote from: 390JOE on March 29, 2011, 05:15:39 PM
Quote from: Hammerlane on March 22, 2011, 12:50:38 AM
Not a completely accurate statement..we do maintain our status as the baddest Mutha's on the planet.. ==rocks
not to mention we will what we can to someone in need..
so we do have Karma on our side... for what thats worth..
What hammerlane said kinda reminds me of the great white fleet
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/battleswars1900s/p/greatwhitefleet.htm (http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/battleswars1900s/p/greatwhitefleet.htm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Fleet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Fleet)
and if i remember my history (i could be wrong about this) i think we were there before in the 80's, trying to do the same thing?
yea, this aint' our first rodeo over there...
Yeah, apparently they need tuned up a little every once in a while.. Funny how idiots like him get into power.. Its bad enough bein an American over there, can you imagine what it would be like to be livin in a country that has an idiot like that in power? ==help