I assume that most people have heard about the cinema shooting in Colorado. PLEASE don't blame the gun laws for the accessibility or the cause of this. Think of it like drugs, they are illegal, but if you want them bad enough, you can get em.
I don't want assholes like this to make it illegal/impossible to protect myself from assholes like this. Let's just say if Somone else in the crowed was carrying, this would have ended differently.
Yea this is a tragic event, but this is an eye opener that we aren't safe anywhere.
This is why I pack heat.
Incase you haven't heard or know what im talking about: long story short
Average joe, only a speeding ticket on his record. Goes to the midnight release of bat man. He has 2 pistols, a shotgun, and an ar15, body armor, gasmask, and teargas. Tosses in the teargas into the show, shoots uP the place. He killed alOt, wounded alot. Even shot children in the back as they ran away. He was arrested.
Law enforcement went to his apartment to only find it full of booby traps and explosives.
Befor the gunman shot up the place, he stood in front of the audience and was shooting in the air. Thats when I would have started shooting back.
blaming gun laws on this shooting, is like chokin on a hamburger & shuttin Mc Ds down for it...
Not sure what the answer is, but unarming citizens isnt the answer....
You take guns from citizens, only the Government & criminals will have guns,
The "Weapon Free" zones are a joke . . . Robbing banks are illegal too. But Banks still get robbed.
EXACTLY. un arming us would just only be worst off for us. I keep a shotgun in the truck and as soon as I can get my CPL, I'll be carrying my 44. We have every right to protect ourselves, property, and family, anywhere and anytime. And I won't give a single F.
I do blame gun laws... How many shootings like this do you hear of at shooting ranges..
Like they say. Criminals love unarmed victims and dictators love unarmed citizens.
I don't have the money to take the classes or get the permit, even if I did I don't want to go on the armed citizen list.
I've read it all on this story crazy how far people are stretching it. Everything from him being a "tea partier" to it being a government scare tatic to get the U. N. gun treaty signed. I say he was a sick ba$tard and would have had a better chance of being shot on the spot if it wasn't for gun control laws/ gun free zones.
On a side note, who takes children that young to a midnight batman movie.
that is one more reason why i wanna get a ccw because if some one had one in there it would have ended better and alot quicker
Even if you have a permit to carry you can't in a gun free zone like schools, this theater, etc
Quote from: lilred on July 21, 2012, 07:43:32 PM
I do blame gun laws... How many shootings like this do you hear of at shooting ranges..
Last year, a mother an her son, mother shot son in back of the head, then offed herself.
But this guy had his mind made up. If we had gun laws like Canada, this guy would still have done it, and gotten a gun. Its just like drugs as ive mentioned before.
so your saying if everyone in that theater had a gun they still would have got shot?
the guy who did the theater shooting had mental issues...
mother who shot her son had mental issues... but ok lets blame the inanimate object.
gun control laws solve nothing. Neither do drug laws. Its just income for the government.
Naa guns dont kill, its idiots behind the trigger..... BUT, if there where less guns that means less shootings.
Quote from: big red on July 22, 2012, 12:50:27 AM
Naa guns dont kill, its idiots behind the trigger..... BUT, if there where less guns that means less shootings.
Well this guy in Colorado just proved that theory wrong... in this case less guns = more shooting = 12 innocent dead instead of 1 dead nutcase.
Wait wait wait. Im pro gun. And agree with you both 100 percent. But I don't want my gun rights taken away because of a crazy guy. But I'm just sayin people are gunna do what they are gunna do. And all I'm sayin is if one person in theRe (like say me) was carrying, I could have changed the outcome or it may not have. But what ever the outcome. As mentioned. I don want the actions of these psychopathic assholes to be the cause of me loosing my guns or gun rights. I own guns for sport and protection. I'm not neglectin the system. I totally agree with you u guys, but like I said befor. I feel I have every right to protect my self, family, and property IN THE RIGHT SITUATION. Im not gunna bump into a guy, get pissed, blow his brains out. I'm talking if either of the 3 above are in actual life danger, I won't have a problem solving it. Just to clarify. This is all IMO, I'm not right or wrong here, just my feelings.
See you hit it on the head there Jthomas, You may or may not have changed the outcome, what if that one person pulled a guy, even i can say that would be what i would take down first, biggest threat first,
Quote from: big red on July 22, 2012, 02:00:58 AM
See you hit it on the head there Jthomas, You may or may not have changed the outcome, what if that one person pulled a guy, even i can say that would be what i would take down first, biggest threat first,
Agreed, but only argument: there are a lot of people to be watching, I'm quick as hell, and I'm a good Fing shot.
Well im gunna say this last comment, If i was in that situation i dont think i would have time to pull and shoot, But who knows im superman until it happens.
Quote from: big red on July 22, 2012, 02:14:01 AM
Well im gunna say this last comment, If i was in that situation i dont think i would have time to pull and shoot, But who knows im superman until it happens.
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I understand
I am 100% pro gun also but say everyone in that theater was carying a gun and this crackhead just opened up like he did, and everyone that had a gun in that theater opened up on him..... see where Im going... there would be A LOT more dead than just 12 people, this is why they make the laws they do where we can't carry in an arena or theater or a place that has a seating capacity of xxxx amount of people, unless you have the exclusion *which by the way is pretty easy to get and does not cost too much* you could see how if you were in a place like this it would turn into a freakin gun battle/ war zone that quick,
theres alot of what if's in this story all I'm saying is there would be less of a chance in a room full of armed ppl (and no not everyone would be armed, maybe just one? two?) than there was in the gun free zone.
saying if gun laws were dropped tomorrow that everyones going to go buy a gun is like saying if drug laws were dropped tomorrow everyone is going to go buy cocaine. lol
That kid was DAMN smart to be able to master mind a plan like that..................college smarts had alot to do with him being able to mix chemicals and make (gas) and booby trap his house.....................sure made the cops shitt their pants......
I do feel really sorry for those families who lost loved ones...............and if somebody did have a CCW and was at the movie, it might have changed that event to less deaths.....................but we'll never know that now will we?
but in no way should firearms be blamed for this..........if it wasnt guns being used..........it could have been a time bomb............or something else..............guns just get a bad rap becuase they are the most common TOOL to kill with. 300 years ago or less.........you could have been killed with a sword............how many peaple run around now with swords killing other peaple............
i dont even know what to say about this. wait till he's in prison gettin butt raped by monkeys........just saddens me
Quote from: MudDigger on July 22, 2012, 03:56:53 PM
i dont even know what to say about this. wait till he's in prison gettin butt raped by monkeys........just saddens me
i think a hangin from a tall tree or public stoning would be best for this kid, instead we will feed him for the rest of his life, strange
i like the public stoning idea!
Quote from: 7387chevynut on July 22, 2012, 03:24:40 PM
if somebody did have a CCW and was at the movie, it might have changed that event to less deaths.....................but we'll never know that now will we?
but in no way should firearms be blamed for this..........if it wasnt guns being used..........it could have been a time bomb............or something else..............guns just get a bad rap becuase they are the most common TOOL to kill with. 300 years ago or less.........you could have been killed with a sword............how many peaple run around now with swords killing other peaple............
1. You can only get CPL's now and this theater was a Gun Free Zone aka even CPL holders can not carry.
2. You can't carry a sword without a CCW (any concealable weapon). Which was the reasoning for them changing the permit to a CPL (concealed pistol).
Quote from: Bigdaddy on July 22, 2012, 04:04:31 PM
i think a hangin from a tall tree or public stoning would be best for this kid, instead we will feed him for the rest of his life, strange
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Quote from: lilred on July 22, 2012, 02:29:33 PM
theres alot of what if's in this story all I'm saying is there would be less of a chance in a room full of armed ppl (and no not everyone would be armed, maybe just one? two?) than there was in the gun free zone.
saying if gun laws were dropped tomorrow that everyones going to go buy a gun is like saying if drug laws were dropped tomorrow everyone is going to go buy cocaine. lol
your looking at it wrong, how many of us own guns? how many people you know own guns? just because they don't have a cpl doesn't mean someone doesn't own a gun. what I am saying is that if gun laws were to go away more people would carry, NOT go out a buy a gun. If I owned a gun and didn't have a cpl and gun laws went away you can bet your ass I would carry everywhere, there would be a lot more that 2 or 3 people with guns in that theater.
ohhh and if they made cocaine legal tomorrow.... Id be all over that loll I mean who wouldn't loll
Quote from: MudDigger on July 22, 2012, 04:08:12 PM
i like the public stoning idea!
x2 they should bring it back for sick deranged F**ks like this!
I know just as many people who wouldnt carry even if it was legal as I do who would carry 24/7. Some people are just not as paranoid as the rest of us? ==roll
Quote from: lilred on July 22, 2012, 05:08:31 PM
Quote from: 7387chevynut on July 22, 2012, 03:24:40 PM
if somebody did have a CCW and was at the movie, it might have changed that event to less deaths.....................but we'll never know that now will we?
but in no way should firearms be blamed for this..........if it wasnt guns being used..........it could have been a time bomb............or something else..............guns just get a bad rap becuase they are the most common TOOL to kill with. 300 years ago or less.........you could have been killed with a sword............how many peaple run around now with swords killing other peaple............
1. You can only get CPL's now and this theater was a Gun Free Zone aka even CPL holders can not carry.
2. You can't carry a sword without a CCW (any concealable weapon). Which was the reasoning for them changing the permit to a CPL (concealed pistol).
you missed my last point......300 years ago swords were commonly used to kill than firearms....because guns were more expensive to buy. Over time guns slowly got cheaper to produce....and aquire.
Now peaple use guns because its more simple to pull a trigger than learn how to use a blade.
I'll just start taking my tea cup to the movies. samii
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx1XhlPIeEM#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx1XhlPIeEM#noexternalembed)
http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html)
==dunno something to think about.
i could believe the government has something to do with it...just like i believe 9/11 was staged
Quote from: MudDigger on July 28, 2012, 06:04:23 PM
i could believe the government has something to do with it...just like i believe 9/11 was staged
I'm never the first or last to jump on conspiracy theory's... always wait for the real facts to pile up... still undecided on this one. Just like 9/11 I'd hate to think our own goverment would do it... but at the same time it would not surprise me.