a very good read.
http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/capitalism-institute/2012/jul/28/ban-assault-rifles/ (http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/capitalism-institute/2012/jul/28/ban-assault-rifles/)
i understand people not wanting their gov to take away their guns but the founding fathers also made it so the constitution could be amended...because they realized they didn't know everything and couldn't possibly predict the future so they left an out clause. sane people need shot guns and rifles to hunt...not ak-47's and glock's....those type of people more often than not are the scumbags that r killing your families and importing all the drug which leads to more crime and violence...if u can't see a pattern and a way to fix it is limit these types of guns they i pray karma gets your family before some azzwipe with a gun gets mine.
I have AK's and glocks. I guess I'm a scumbag?
this pretty much sums up the articil
QuoteThere is a right to own all firearms.
The Second Amendment wasn't written just so we could hunt animals. It was written so that the militia – which is comprised of the people – would have the right to individually keep and bear military rifles.
That was whole point of the amendment. That means that a ban on scary-looking guns would be a complete violation of the Constitution. A supposed tyrannical government would have the latest and greatest arms, and so should the people's militia.
The Second Amendment still covers modern guns for the same reason the First Amendment covers the Internet and blogs. The Second Amendment protects all guns from being banned for the same reason the First Amendment protects all religions from being banned.
This is why it matters that we don't ban "assault" rifles. They're not magical. They're just like other guns, meaning they're dangerous and deadly. And that's why Americans should own them – because the American people should be a dangerous and deadly force that our own government and foreign governments should be a little concerned about.
It's just what's necessary for the security of a free state.
but dont forget there was pistols when the constitution was written.
QuoteThe historical definition and context of "arms" meant essentially weapons that individuals could carry on their person. This means firearms, swords, spears, bows and arrows, etc. This includes quite a bit, but it doesn't include nuclear warheads
what you are pretty much saying is that ak's and ar's are scarry weapons, i could say the same thing about a 2x4.
Quote from: marshall on July 30, 2012, 09:06:23 PM
I have AK's and glocks. I guess I'm a scumbag?
i said more often than not leaving room for normal people...but if u feel the need to defend yourself than yes i am probably talking about people like u. I'm not making apologies for not thinking you shouldn't have the right to own assault weapons...someone has to speak up for the victims cause they can't do it for them self.
Quote from: magic on July 31, 2012, 04:12:13 PM
Quote from: marshall on July 30, 2012, 09:06:23 PM
I have AK's and glocks. I guess I'm a scumbag?
i said more often than not leaving room for normal people...but if u feel the need to defend yourself than yes i am probably talking about people like u. I'm not making apologies for not thinking you shouldn't have the right to own assault weapons...someone has to speak up for the victims cause they can't do it for them self.
I also have ak's ar's and pistols shotuns rifles.... I suppose I am a scumbag also......
And there are Firearms that I own that would be used to defend me and my Family! and any one else that was being assaulted or whose life was in danger.
So your pretty much saying that you don't feel the need to defend yourself huh??? I take pity on someone that can be as naive and closed off to the real world as yourself.
You are not speaking out against anyone being the victim from an assault weapon, When you become a "victim" because you don't feel the need to defend your self or your family becomes a "victim" because there is no need to protect them, we all will see how the whole no need to defend your self thing worked out.... and I guess you should of been a "scumbag" like us so that in a situation like that you and your family would live and not become victims.
And well if you don't feel the need to own a firearm for protection against the crazed thugs out there, you might want to take a walk through my neighborhood, and if you really have the balls, go a little norther of my neighborhood in the night time or hell even day time, and tell me how that works out for you especially if your not black!!! And if you at least have some kinda of firearm you at least stand a chance to be alive the next day, but you can keep to your narrow minded sheltered ways, and I'll be sure to look for ya in the paper :)
Quote from: xjs3667 on July 31, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
I also have ak's ar's and pistols shotuns rifles.... I suppose I am a scumbag also......
And there are Firearms that I own that would be used to defend me and my Family! and any one else that was being assaulted or whose life was in danger.
So your pretty much saying that you don't feel the need to defend yourself huh??? I take pity on someone that can be as naive and closed off to the real world as yourself.
I guess you should of been a "scumbag" like us so that in a situation like that you and your family would live and not become victims.
if you at least have some kinda of firearm you at least stand a chance to be alive the next day, but you can keep to your narrow minded sheltered ways, and I'll be sure to look for ya in the paper :)
x2 applaudd
I've collected military firearms for 17 years and own several ASSAULT RIFLES..............but I've never ASSAULTED anybody with them and use them for target shooting.
As a law abiding American with no criminal record/history, I should be able to own any type of rifle I want!!!!
If good peaple live in bad neighborhoods they have every right to protect their families from criminals on the streets.
Look at NEW YORK CITY, its illegal to possess a firearm in that city without a permit unless your law enforcement. Guess that means all the CROOKS have guns while the working class people have nothing to defend themselves with..............and you wonder why NY city has a bad crime rate.
Quote from: magic on July 31, 2012, 04:12:13 PM
Quote from: marshall on July 30, 2012, 09:06:23 PM
I have AK's and glocks. I guess I'm a scumbag?
i said more often than not leaving room for normal people...but if u feel the need to defend yourself than yes i am probably talking about people like u. I'm not making apologies for not thinking you shouldn't have the right to own assault weapons...someone has to speak up for the victims cause they can't do it for them self.
closed minded people like you are why i own them.
cause i choose not to want people to get shot i am close minded lol...and chevynut u live in midland not flint lmao u have no idea what a HOOD is like so come up with a different excuse other than the need to defend yourself....i'm not saying all people that own assualt weapons are bad as clearly stated in my post....however u guys seem to take it awful personal so i am guessing u r thinking i am talking about u...that is your problem...xjs people like u r making flint what it is today..i hope your proud of your community...as for me i don't live in a crime invested p00 hole and a shotgun would defend my home just as well as your ak or glock...plz stop by anytime and i'll prove it to ya...if ya got the balls
Quote from: magic on August 01, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
cause i choose not to want people to get shot i am close minded lol...and chevynut u live in midland not flint lmao u have no idea what a HOOD is like so come up with a different excuse other than the need to defend yourself....i'm not saying all people that own assualt weapons are bad as clearly stated in my post....however u guys seem to take it awful personal so i am guessing u r thinking i am talking about u...that is your problem...xjs people like u r making flint what it is today..i hope your proud of your community...as for me i don't live in a crime invested p00 hole and a shotgun would defend my home just as well as your ak or glock...plz stop by anytime and i'll prove it to ya...if ya got the balls
so your saying where I live is a p00 hole... real nice...Real nice to threaten my life also.... Get real dude, and I take it very personal when it comes to gun rights, just because I have a ak or any other military rifle does not mean that is going to be my choice of defense, most likely I will use either my pistol or my shotgun if some jack wagon decides to invade my house. As for you asking me to prove to you that your shotgun can do better than what I got LMFAO.... there is no need to get into what guns I have but lets just say I could pick you off from over a mile away, don't ask me if I have the balls, military trained us to shoot first ask questions later, and if your going to stand around playing this stupid game all day F-Off .... We don't need people like you on this site that is threatening the lives of any member, or thinking they are better than anyone else, because you my little rat pellet, is what is wrong with this country. And keep asking people if they have the balls, one day your guna ask the wrong person and they will take you up on your offer, and when they kick your door down when you least expect it... you wont be ready, you'll piss your self like a little school girl, your beloved "shot gun" will tucked away in a safe unloaded.... If you have anything intelligent to say then do so, if not, piss off
wow we all know a rifle = 1 hole a shotgun = many holes for home saftey.
myself is a pistol at home in many locations but also have several rifles prep even an ar/m6 which all are in a cabnet no good to stop a home invasion . by no means does this make me tough or out of being a target. times are rough for sure .and auto weapons have always had a bad issue with the amount of ammo and the speed they shoot . We as understanding adults know its the ppl not the gun.
and yes midland doesnt have it that rough lol
Nobody ever invites me for fun :(
Quote from: magic on August 01, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
cause i choose not to want people to get shot i am close minded lol...and chevynut u live in midland not flint lmao u have no idea what a HOOD is like so come up with a different excuse other than the need to defend yourself....i'm not saying all people that own assualt weapons are bad as clearly stated in my post....however u guys seem to take it awful personal so i am guessing u r thinking i am talking about u...that is your problem...xjs people like u r making flint what it is today..i hope your proud of your community...as for me i don't live in a crime invested p00 hole and a shotgun would defend my home just as well as your ak or glock...plz stop by anytime and i'll prove it to ya...if ya got the balls
Magic....I never said Midland was rough or a hood, I simply said as a law abiding citizen with a clean record I should be able to OWN whatever type of military rifle I WANT. And that people who do live in rough areas have every right to protect themselves and their families..........so by all means re-read my first comment carefully.
Also those ( rough areas ) like Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids, and SAGINAW.........(I've been in the bad areas of Saginaw more than once).........dont care to drive through there, and sure as hell not live there. And the reason those areas turned into (bad) areas is because of the migration of (afro-americans) to those areas...........so on that issue.......the truth does hurt.
Bottom line folks....... is that we live our lives the way we want, if I choose to own guns, thats my busniness.....if you choose to be anti gun......thats your business........and as long as we repsect one another there shouldnt be a problem
Quote from: 7387chevynut on August 01, 2012, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: magic on August 01, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
cause i choose not to want people to get shot i am close minded lol...and chevynut u live in midland not flint lmao u have no idea what a HOOD is like so come up with a different excuse other than the need to defend yourself....i'm not saying all people that own assualt weapons are bad as clearly stated in my post....however u guys seem to take it awful personal so i am guessing u r thinking i am talking about u...that is your problem...xjs people like u r making flint what it is today..i hope your proud of your community...as for me i don't live in a crime invested p00 hole and a shotgun would defend my home just as well as your ak or glock...plz stop by anytime and i'll prove it to ya...if ya got the balls
Magic....I never said Midland was rough or a hood, I simply said as a law abiding citizen with a clean record I should be able to OWN whatever type of military rifle I WANT. And that people who do live in rough areas have every right to protect themselves and their families..........so by all means re-read my first comment carefully.
Also those ( rough areas ) like Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids, and SAGINAW.........(I've been in the bad areas of Saginaw more than once).........dont care to drive through there, and sure as hell not live there. And the reason those areas turned into (bad) areas is because of the migration of (afro-americans) to those areas...........so on that issue.......the truth does hurt.
Bottom line folks....... is that we live our lives the way we want, if I choose to own guns, thats my busniness.....if you choose to be anti gun......thats your business........and as long as we repsect one another there shouldnt be a problem
applaudd
I'm only going to say it once..
Keep discussions civil or I'll scrap the thread..
agree to disagree if you have to..
knock off the name callin n' MF'n each other!!
Read this if you need to
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kennyy ill mount a anti aircraft gun to my roof a=f lol
two types of people like gun control. Criminals and communists. Nuff said. :)
Quote from: Hammerlane on August 01, 2012, 04:16:59 PM
I'm only going to say it once..
Keep discussions civil or I'll scrap the thread..
agree to disagree if you have to..
knock off the name callin n' MF'n each other!!
Read this if you need to
http://wegotmud.com/forum/index.php?topic=18642.0 (http://wegotmud.com/forum/index.php?topic=18642.0)
True constructive discussion can come from this thread.
I believe I AM one of the MODERATOR's who keeps tabs on this forum.......... If I see any discussion that I feel is inapropriate, then I will deal with it.
Quote from: 7387chevynut on August 02, 2012, 01:28:50 AM
Quote from: Hammerlane on August 01, 2012, 04:16:59 PM
I'm only going to say it once..
Keep discussions civil or I'll scrap the thread..
agree to disagree if you have to..
knock off the name callin n' MF'n each other!!
Read this if you need to
http://wegotmud.com/forum/index.php?topic=18642.0 (http://wegotmud.com/forum/index.php?topic=18642.0)
True constructive discussion can come from this thread.
I believe I AM one of the MODERATOR's who keeps tabs on this forum.......... If I see any discussion that I feel is inapropriate, then I will deal with it.
^^ wheres the LIKE button lol :)
alot of opinions, as hammerlanes says,
True constructive discussion can come from this thread
Please educate,dont hate (stop the labels/name calling)
Quote from: Hammerlane on August 01, 2012, 04:16:59 PM
I'm only going to say it once..
Keep discussions civil or I'll scrap the thread..
agree to disagree if you have to..
knock off the name callin n' MF'n each other!!
Read this if you need to
http://wegotmud.com/forum/index.php?topic=18642.0 (http://wegotmud.com/forum/index.php?topic=18642.0)
True constructive discussion can come from this thread.
ive lived in flints north east side all my life ive seen friends back in the day get jumped off our school bus ive ben broken into more than one i have a home security system hand guns shot guns rifles and what not. It is my right to bear arms. Never said what ones. I will defend my familly and country.
Quote from: Andy Michalik on August 02, 2012, 04:13:46 AM
ive lived in flints north east side all my life ive seen friends back in the day get jumped off our school bus ive ben broken into more than one i have a home security system hand guns shot guns rifles and what not. It is my right to bear arms. Never said what ones. I will defend my familly and country.
right on!
The people should not fear its government, the government should fear its people. The second amendment wasn't written for hunting. It was written to protect the citezens from a tyranical government. I own an AK and an AR I'm not a scumbag. I beleive in freedom and the right to protect my family my home and myself against tyrany and intruders alike.
Quote from: magic on July 30, 2012, 08:36:23 PM
i understand people not wanting their gov to take away their guns but the founding fathers also made it so the constitution could be amended...because they realized they didn't know everything and couldn't possibly predict the future so they left an out clause. sane people need shot guns and rifles to hunt...not ak-47's and glock's....those type of people more often than not are the scumbags that r killing your families and importing all the drug which leads to more crime and violence...if u can't see a pattern and a way to fix it is limit these types of guns they i pray karma gets your family before some azzwipe with a gun gets mine.
There is nothing wrong with owning a semi automatic AK47 its no more dangerous than say a ruger mini 14. I actually hunt deer up north with mine. I slap in a 5 round mag and go hunting get home slap in the 30 rounder now I'm ready to take out the ignorant s.o.b.'s that tries to walk in my door and and harm me or my family. BTW there is no such thing as a civilian owned assault rifle. Automatic firearms were banned in 1986 now there are just semi auto look a likes.
Quote from: lilred on August 01, 2012, 05:08:07 PM
two types of people like gun control. Criminals and communists. Nuff said. :)
x2
I as well as many others in this forum...
Rose my right hand at the wise old age of 18, given a $250K monstocity of a vehicle, an AR15 (FULL AUTO capable), 60 rounds ammo, a 203 grenade launcher, 5 grenades and the authority to kill..and swore to god that I would defend my country and it's people from all enemy's both foriegn and domestic.. trained in the use and handling of multiple firearms from pistol to ring mounted 50 cal., a varity of explosives, hand to hand combat and edged weapons.
almost 50 yrs on this planet, home OWNER, husband, father of 3, no criminal record, an honorable discharge, 16 yrs employed with the same company rounding out a 30 yr career in a federally regulated industry (accident free at that!)
Do I believe I have a right to assault weapons ??? yep, sure do.. I believe I have proven to be a trustworthy enough individual with the morals, integrity and common sense required to own such a weapon, keep it secured, teach those in my presence about the dangers and proper handling of such tools and if I get the urge to loose a few rounds in a manner that is respectful of those within the rounds distance once fired.. yea, I think I have earned that right !!
Constitutional right.. maybe not..
but hey.. it's your property, you own it, you have the right to do whatever you wish with it right !?! sure you do nonoo
Quote from: Hammerlane on February 21, 2013, 05:52:58 PM
I as well as many others in this forum...
Rose my right hand at the wise old age of 18, given a $250K monstocity of a vehicle, an AR15 (FULL AUTO capable), 60 rounds ammo, a 203 grenade launcher, 5 grenades and the authority to kill..and swore to god that I would defend my country and it's people from all enemy's both foriegn and domestic.. trained in the use and handling of multiple firearms from pistol to ring mounted 50 cal., a varity of explosives, hand to hand combat and edged weapons.
almost 50 yrs on this planet, home OWNER, husband, father of 3, no criminal record, an honorable discharge, 16 yrs employed with the same company rounding out a 30 yr career in a federally regulated industry (accident free at that!)
Do I believe I have a right to assault weapons ??? yep, sure do.. I believe I have proven to be a trustworthy enough individual with the morals, integrity and common sense required to own such a weapon, keep it secured, teach those in my presence about the dangers and proper handling of such tools and if I get the urge to loose a few rounds in a manner that is respectful of those within the rounds distance once fired.. yea, I think I have earned that right !!
Constitutional right.. maybe not..
but hey.. it's your property, you own it, you have the right to do whatever you wish with it right !?! sure you do nonoo
Thank you for you service! And I couldn't agree more.
my understanding was if ya meet all the rules and a 500 $ permit you was able to own a assault weapon not to long ago. ??
Quote from: BIG DOG on February 21, 2013, 06:36:03 PM
my understanding was if ya meet all the rules and a 500 $ permit you was able to own a assault weapon not to long ago. ??
Now don't hold me to this but i was pretty sure as long as it was manufactured before 1986 you can leagaly own a fully auto weapon with the proper back ground checks and permits. Now if you want to own a new shiny m-4 or something that is fully auto you have to be police or military. Or pay an annual permit fee that is big money and have all sorts of background checks and finger prints and register it through the state and federal government. I'm sure there is even more that you have to do.
Quote from: Merc09 on February 21, 2013, 08:12:12 PM
Quote from: BIG DOG on February 21, 2013, 06:36:03 PM
my understanding was if ya meet all the rules and a 500 $ permit you was able to own a assault weapon not to long ago. ??
Now don't hold me to this but i was pretty sure as long as it was manufactured before 1986 you can leagaly own a fully auto weapon with the proper back ground checks and permits. Now if you want to own a new shiny m-4 or something that is fully auto you have to be police or military. Or pay an annual permit fee that is big money and have all sorts of background checks and finger prints and register it through the state and federal government. I'm sure there is even more that you have to do.
very few people can obtain a class 3 firearm.........( Machinegun), even if they have a clean record. #2 they also cost a shitt load to buy..............ever price one out?
Quote from: 7387chevynut on February 22, 2013, 12:55:53 AM
Quote from: Merc09 on February 21, 2013, 08:12:12 PM
Quote from: BIG DOG on February 21, 2013, 06:36:03 PM
my understanding was if ya meet all the rules and a 500 $ permit you was able to own a assault weapon not to long ago. ??
Now don't hold me to this but i was pretty sure as long as it was manufactured before 1986 you can leagaly own a fully auto weapon with the proper back ground checks and permits. Now if you want to own a new shiny m-4 or something that is fully auto you have to be police or military. Or pay an annual permit fee that is big money and have all sorts of background checks and finger prints and register it through the state and federal government. I'm sure there is even more that you have to do.
very few people can obtain a class 3 firearm.........( Machinegun), even if they have a clean record. #2 they also cost a shitt load to buy..............ever price one out?
Yeah a fully auto AK is 7k if you get em from Mexico. Lol
Quote from: Merc09 on February 21, 2013, 08:12:12 PM
Quote from: BIG DOG on February 21, 2013, 06:36:03 PM
my understanding was if ya meet all the rules and a 500 $ permit you was able to own a assault weapon not to long ago. ??
Now don't hold me to this but i was pretty sure as long as it was manufactured before 1986 you can leagaly own a fully auto weapon with the proper back ground checks and permits. Now if you want to own a new shiny m-4 or something that is fully auto you have to be police or military. Or pay an annual permit fee that is big money and have all sorts of background checks and finger prints and register it through the state and federal government. I'm sure there is even more that you have to do.
Yea, 73nut is correct, the rate of fire (auto/semi) dictates how the weapon is classified. and Uncle sam will run a microscope up your butt for a class 3 for sure.
Biden is sayin get a double barrel shotgun, go out on the back porch
and touch a couple rounds off.. that'll scare the bad guys off....
talk about being out of touch with reality..
first off, if I'm using a shotgun for (self) HOME defense its a pump all day long,
secondly, they are pushing magazine capacity.. more than 6-10 rounds, that covers every pistol I own.. think about it.
third.. cost of ammo is being pushed by default.. due to the rising costs of ammo.. Do Not Expect a warning shot!!
or see me on the back porch touchin a couple off to "scare" the bad guy.
Now, Constitutional right: huge grey area..
In My Opinion:
Since "We the people" ARE the militia (in my interpretation) then YES.. constitutionaly I have the right to arm myself against my enemies.. and if they have autos.. I believe I have that same right.
however: where do you draw the line in the sand.. not sure I want to store nuclear warheads in my basement.
and don't truely believe everyone in the country has/deserves that right.
now, bad guys.. whats gonna scare you off? single shotgun blast, or 3 tracer rounds in quick succession thru the wall past your head
If your a mentality stable law abiding citizen there's no reason why we can't have them rather it be for home defense witch i prefer my mossy 500 short barrel pump or sporting or hunting. I have owned 2 ak clones 1 saiga 5.56 1 rommy wsr10 with a under fold stock. I have a Israeli fal heavy barrel and several other combat style guns i never had a single legal problem so why should it be wrong for me to have them? I use mine to teach most people that come here how to use them properly. A fire arm is only as dangerous as the person holding it. I agree some people dont need these type of weapons but citizens with no criminal or mental history why not that single shot .22 in my safe is as deadly as the fal. 308 is in wrong hands just my opinion. Ill use every firearm in my arsenal to defend my family and my country right down to my last piece of brass. I love my country but this is getting out of hand
Idk maybe im just a redneck that has to Manny guns that belongs deep in the woods away from civilized people
What the hell, did u forget 9-11 guns of ALL TIMES makes this country what it is LAND OF THE FREE u don't think they are comeing BACK!! Wake up and smell the gun powder ,don't be afraid of a few bad guys look at the big picture,WHAT'S NEXT FOR OUR COUNTRY air , ground invasion? One thing I know I don't want u for my nieghbor and your BBGUN
Quote from: fordrunner on February 26, 2013, 08:29:02 AM
Idk maybe im just a redneck that has to Manny guns that belongs deep in the woods away from civilized people
Too many guns? That's like too much money. There's no such thing. Lol. I've read this fienstien ban through its entirety. They not only want to ban magazines that have the capability to hold more than 10 rounds they also want to ban anything with a detachable magazine. So all semi auto pistols. Rifles with mags even if they only hold 5 rounds. We will be down to revolvers pump shotguns break action shot guns single shot rifles and shotguns and bolt action rifles with an enternal mag. Oh and semi auto rifles and shotguns with enternal mags.
The way that band is wrote it sounds like a moron that probly never seen the guns on the list. The list says a sks is fine with it charge fed 10 round fixed mag but you put a detachable mag on it its a no no. I dont believe they will be able to take them away but you better believe there going to push mag capacity because they can besides between the ammo prices and scarcity of it lately thats just another control method. Man im starting to sound like a conspiracy theory lately. Bottom line i believe it should be are write to own a "assault rifle " even thow everyone i own is classified as a sporting rifle being none of them have select fire capability witch would make it a assault rifle. But theres nothing wrong with the simi auto clones just how people choose to use them
Exactly! These people are ignorant and if they try and take away the second amendment or even just this ban. There WILL BE ANOTHER REVOLUTIONARY WAR. AND THE STUPID PART IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 30 ROUND AND A 10 ROUND MAG IS NOTHING. I CAN RELOAD VERY FAST. BANNING THEM WON'T CHANGE A THING. LOOK AT THE V.T. SHOOTING. HE TOOK 17 MAGAZINES WITH HIM. NOT EVEN 30 ROUNDERS. AND HE USED 16 OF THEM BEFORE HE OFFED HIMSELF.
I don't think any weapon should be registered with the government. Now if the courts rule that a gulity person can not own a weapon, or a certian weapon and the person is caught with said object, it should be punishable. But to require every individual to register their property with a government anywhere is never a good idea.
But then again... I don't understand building permits or mariage licenses either.
Why do we need permission for everything we do? Doesn't sound very free if you ask me.
a=f I will never tell "the man" what I do or don't have. ;) butt out! kennyy
Amen to that brother.
I only know I am willing to die to keep them, if you are willing to die to take them well lets get it on. In the Riots it was the Korean Mofo's that were standing outside their stores that didn't get burned to the ground. Funny thing happens when you point an AR 15 at the head of some scumbag wanting to burn your house down.
The only people that benefit from a AW ban is the gov't. Mass murders would be much more effective if they used hand guns like a 45. At close range hand guns are way more dangerous, however in a situation where you have to fight a mob or defend yourself against the gov't in times like Waco, an "assault weapon" would be the correct tool. 61% of the American Public believed the gov't burned Waco down on purpose, they burned Women and Children all in an effort to strip them from their right to bear arms. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with a hunting rifle, sporting rifle, or self defense rifle. It exists for our citizenry to be able to organize a military force whenever the needs occurs. This Gov't will not always be there to hold your hand, Someday a bunch of ghetto thugs will be mad at the issue of the day, and they will want to burn your house. I say everyone with an ar 15 on that day will be much better off then the fools standing out front with a hunting rifle.
Link- http://www.amren.com/news/2012/12/when-assault-weapons-saved-koreatown/ (http://www.amren.com/news/2012/12/when-assault-weapons-saved-koreatown/)
When Assault Weapons Saved Koreatown
Ryan James Girdusky, Human Events, December 23, 2012
This year marked the 20th anniversary of the Los Angeles riots, sparked by the acquittal of four Los Angeles Police Department officers accused of beating now-deceased Rodney King. During the five days, mobs around Los Angeles looted stores, burnt 3,767 buildings, caused more than $1 billion in property damage, and led to the deaths of more than 50 people and left another 4,000 injured. A story that has been forgotten since then is that of the brave storeowners in Koreatown who fended off mobs with handguns, rifles and assault weapons.
On the second day of the riots, the police had abandoned much of Koreatown. Jay Rhee, a storeowner in the area, stated to The Los Angeles Times, "we have lost faith in the police."
With the cops nowhere to be found, hundreds of people marauded through the streets towards Koreatown. The neighborhood suffered 45 percent of all the property damage and five fatalities of storeowners during the riots. Having had enough of waiting for police, Korean storeowners assembled into militias to protect themselves, their families, and businesses.
According to the Los Angeles Times, "From the rooftops of their supermarkets, a group of Koreans armed with shotguns and automatic weapons peered onto the smoky streets . . . Koreans have turned their pastel-colored mini-malls into fortresses against looters tide."
Rhee claimed that the storeowners shot off 500 rounds into the sky and ground in order to break up the masses of people. The only weapons able to clear that much ammo in a very short time are assault weapons. Single shot pistols or rifles might not have been able to deter the crowd hell-bent on destroying the neighborhood.
By the end of the day storeowners had slain four looters and fended off the mob. It would be 24 more hours until the National Guard arrived and another two days before the riots were completely put down. Had the riots occurred just a couple of years later when the Congress banned assault weapons, many of these storeowners may not have been so lucky. It's situations like the LA riots, which, while being rare, can occur anywhere from the streets of Los Angeles to far off countries during the Arab Spring.
this country is no longer the home of the free you have to have a permit for everything from guns to dogs. IF people keep sayin o its alright to take away AR style weapons then it will be ok to take away all cartrage fire rifles cause you can still kill deer with a bow or muzzle loader. its not about hunting its about are right to defend our self against our own government if we have too. if they take the second amendment or any part of it the rest will follow.
also if good people surrender thier guns criminals will still have them
I remember the LA riots..........seemed to me it was only one minority group that decided to destroy their own neighborhood, AKA tear up their own azzhole...
Just remember four years from now........TED NUGENT for president.
Ted nugent is just as crooked as the people we have in there now...
Quote from: J.C. on March 12, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
Ted nugent is just as crooked as the people we have in there now...
at least he's for gun rights dude!!!
Good point. But still
Ted nugent has a house near me lol. At least that's what I have been told.
Chuck Norris 2016! Lol
Quote from: Merc09 on March 12, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
Chuck Norris 2016! Lol
Yeah, I'd vote for him, or Ann Coulter!! We need a right wing person in the white house.
Quote from: 7387chevynut on March 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM
Quote from: Merc09 on March 12, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
Chuck Norris 2016! Lol
Yeah, I'd vote for him, or Ann Coulter!! We need a right wing person in the white house.
Amen to that brother
I would consider Pat Buchannan too!!!
I think people are confused as to where our rights come from. They don't come from our constitution. We are born with them. The constitution just states what ones our government can not take away.
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Quote from: lilred on March 15, 2013, 12:21:03 AM
I think people are confused as to where our rights come from. They don't come from our constitution. We are born with them. The constitution just states what ones our government can not take away.
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I know where they came from, I just don't know where they went