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Title: Match up gm trans
Post by: jake harr on January 14, 2014, 12:37:48 AM
I got a 1994 gmc Sierra 4x4 and I cracked my 4l60e trans instead of looking into getting it rebuilt for the second time I have a Grendel that told me he would sell me a used 4l60e out of a 96 suburban I've had bad luck with these for years 6 of them have broken on me between shattered tail ends of the transmission bad torque convertor a shift solonoid my motor is a 350 tbi I wanted to know of I can bolt up a turbo 350 with no issues would be greatly apriciated for the input
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: 355REDNECK on January 14, 2014, 01:05:06 AM
the turbo 350 will work just got to buy and adapter so ur tcase will bolt to the trans
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: michigan maniac on January 14, 2014, 03:42:01 AM
Personally if it was me I would put a 4l60 back in it and drive it, not sure why you have bad luck with them, they are not a terrible trans
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: camok10 on January 14, 2014, 08:59:51 AM
Quote from: michigan maniac on January 14, 2014, 03:42:01 AM
Personally if it was me I would put a 4l60 back in it and drive it, not sure why you have bad luck with them, they are not a terrible trans

I would also but the 60 back in. A 700r4/4l60/4l60e are the same strength wise as a th350. People give them a bad rap though because they over heat them in overdrive with either the torque converter being unlocked or towing in overdrive.  A 96 case will work in your truck but all the internal electronics will have to be switched to what was in the 94. 93-94 will interchange with out issues. For the th350 you will need the trans to transfer case adaptor and the correct output shaft for the length of it. Or you could use the factory adaptor and move the transmission crossmember and lengthen/ shorten your drive shafts.
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: BigFrank on January 14, 2014, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: camok10 on January 14, 2014, 08:59:51 AM
Quote from: michigan maniac on January 14, 2014, 03:42:01 AM
Personally if it was me I would put a 4l60 back in it and drive it, not sure why you have bad luck with them, they are not a terrible trans

I would also but the 60 back in. A 700r4/4l60/4l60e are the same strength wise as a th350. People give them a bad rap though because they over heat them in overdrive with either the torque converter being unlocked or towing in overdrive.  A 96 case will work in your truck but all the internal electronics will have to be switched to what was in the 94. 93-94 will interchange with out issues. For the th350 you will need the trans to transfer case adaptor and the correct output shaft for the length of it. Or you could use the factory adaptor and move the transmission crossmember and lengthen/ shorten your drive shafts.
no  way too hook up a speedometer with 350 ???
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: jake harr on January 14, 2014, 09:58:29 PM
The guy that wants to sell me the trans says that it's a hd trans in a suburban because it's a k code truck to the best of y knowledge my trck is as we'll a k code vehicle something sounded a little fishy about that any ideas
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: lilred on January 14, 2014, 11:14:01 PM
Quote from: BigFrank on January 14, 2014, 02:39:20 PM
no  way too hook up a speedometer with 350 ???
Pretty sure speed sensor is in the tcase, with a adapter plate he would still have the same tcase.
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: michigan maniac on January 15, 2014, 12:29:04 AM
Your gonna have more of a headach putting a th350 in there, like said before driveshaft lengths, crossmembers and mounts lining up, and any wiring from the 4l60...

K code refers to truck being 4x4
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: jake harr on January 15, 2014, 04:15:59 AM
That's what I assumed there's no real 4l60e heavy duty trans
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: camok10 on January 15, 2014, 04:28:23 AM
There is it's a 4l65 in newer ls powered trucks, there internals will fit into a standard 4l60 and on a 4x4 truck the speed sensor is in the transfer case so no issue there
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: BigFrank on January 15, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
where do ya put the big round plug from the trans into? I thought the 2 had to be hooked up for the computer too work right with speedometer  just wondering  not tryin too bee a smart a$$ ???
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: lilred on January 15, 2014, 02:15:41 PM
Newer tcase has reluctor ring and sensor on tailshaft housing, that's all that the computer needs.
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: BigFrank on January 15, 2014, 03:59:14 PM
 ==hmmm  interesting
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: camok10 on January 17, 2014, 02:05:40 AM
The big plug controls all the electronics like shift silonoids torque converter lock up and such in The transmission, input shaft speed is monitored and if it senses different from tail shaft speed it throws code p1870 which is transmission slippage code. But the speedo on the dash only takes tail shaft for that.
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: BigFrank on January 17, 2014, 12:36:37 PM
I thought the 2 had too work together ??? my bad  soo in theory my truck that has a 700 in place of the 4l60 the speedometer  should work???
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: lilred on January 17, 2014, 02:10:55 PM
As long as you plug the speed sensor on the tcase in, yes
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: camok10 on January 19, 2014, 01:14:31 AM
Yours is a 2wd correct? It would depend on the year of the 700. The big thing would be a mechanical vs electronic for the speedometer output. But yes it should work in theory.
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: 7387chevynut on January 19, 2014, 01:22:05 AM
Quote from: michigan maniac on January 15, 2014, 12:29:04 AM
Your gonna have more of a headach putting a th350 in there, like said before driveshaft lengths, crossmembers and mounts lining up, and any wiring from the 4l60...

K code refers to truck being 4x4

x2,

it will be easier just to replace with same trans.  Also might be computer hassles to worry about switching to a non electronic trans.
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: BigFrank on January 19, 2014, 01:15:44 PM
Quote from: camok10 on January 19, 2014, 01:14:31 AM
Yours is a 2wd correct? It would depend on the year of the 700. The big thing would be a mechanical vs electronic for the speedometer output. But yes it should work in theory.
2wd  elec speedometer on both trans came out of the same year it dosent work with out the round plug hooked up
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: BigFrank on January 19, 2014, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: 7387chevynut on January 19, 2014, 01:22:05 AM
Quote from: michigan maniac on January 15, 2014, 12:29:04 AM
Your gonna have more of a headach putting a th350 in there, like said before driveshaft lengths, crossmembers and mounts lining up, and any wiring from the 4l60...

K code refers to truck being 4x4

x2,

it will be easier just to replace with same trans.  Also might be computer hassles to worry about switching to a non electronic trans.
x3 lol
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: camok10 on January 20, 2014, 07:37:42 AM
It should work, I'll look up some wiring diagrams and see if there is anything. It may be possible the vss are different.
Title: Re: Match up gm trans
Post by: BigFrank on January 20, 2014, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: camok10 on January 20, 2014, 07:37:42 AM
It should work, I'll look up some wiring diagrams and see if there is anything. It may be possible the vss are different.
same sensor even tried switching them with each other  without the input speed being sensed it wont make the loop  the trucks gone now but just trying too expand my mind  lol