Please keep all clean i got a kinda funny question why do bogs charge us more with a truck then spectators we're out there putting the show on backing parts and cost money and gas i have $200 in easy to go or leave truck at home pay $5 and and watch
I think it should be other way around just my 2cent
As one of the people without a truck i have thought this many times... Honestly i think its that they are letting you use there land but idk??
Quote from: big red on April 22, 2014, 11:16:11 PM
As one of the people without a truck i have thought this many times... Honestly i think its that they are letting you use there land but idk??
and making money off spectators by us using there land usually????? couple places used to take money if you wanted to give for trucks and charge spectators that was great...
I have to agree....it be nice to see the spectators charged a little more, and hell even pay us a little for putting on a show, but i don't think it would ever happen, for one yes the land owner needs to make a few bucks, as he's lending it to us, and he maintains it, and the pit. Also its a cheap sport to go watch, as you said $5 for spectators, its not all that cheap for us boggers as you pointed out, its actually quite expensive when all the costs are added up, but its simple, dig to Deep into the fans pockets and they will stop coming, start digging into the boggers pockets....yea a few might stop going but there will always be a few that will put on a show........... in reality I'm not asking to get paid, but yes I agree 100% that the price should be about the same if not less for boggers than for the spectators
I'm ok with paying more if there is a pull out vehicle there, and I prefer bogs with them
Well if it wear not for the Trucks no Spectators get it. ;D applaudd ==wgm ++peace ++peace ++peace
The spectators are pointless in my mind, I go out to enjoy something that I like to do.
I do however believe that since the price for spectaters has gone to $10 for most bogs that the price for trucks should have gone down a little.
Just me here, but if gets like Drag Racing. It will get to the point that we can no longer run with out sponsors and corporate interest.Let's keep this last form of motorsports to ourselves and not bring in big money.I too would like to enjoy this sport without the cost, so lets keep this between the mudders.I too agree with your statement but this is how things lead to big money.Love it all lets keep it cheap and encourage our spectators. applaudd applaudd GotMud?
Usually there are pull out vehicles,(dozer-excavater) etc, i dont mind paying a few bucks to tear someone elses land up and get pulled out while doin so,those vehicles use fuel and prob lots of it,plus those running the equipment need to be compinsated as well , so i dont mind paying at all.. just my 2 cents..
Quote from: Orangecrush on April 23, 2014, 02:26:35 AM
Usually there are pull out vehicles,(dozer-excavater) etc, i dont mind paying a few bucks to tear someone elses land up and get pulled out while doin so,those vehicles use fuel and prob lots of it,plus those running the equipment need to be compinsated as well , so i dont mind paying at all.. just my 2 cents..
Thank you for your 2 Cents.You are right pull equipment at a BOGG a must.
This has been debated many times and I agree if you bring a truck it should be same price since your gonna draw the spectators to the show. The bulk of the money is made off them anyways. It's not the paying that in question just the fact your getting charged more to help make the person money in the first place. I'd also be willing to bet the spectators leave most of the trash/mess when they leave. O well what's a couple bucks lol
as much as I love a free bog, which are far and few in-between anymore, I don't mind paying upwards of $20 bucks a truck, even if the land owner charges that much to make a quick buck, its still their property that they are letting us tear up. also maybe they are charging so much out of fear of being sued if someone gets hurt, not everyone can afford insurance to hold an event and I know some of the money goes toward fuel and wear and tear on a pull out vehicle, plus in my mind if your charging 20 a truck there better be a recovery vehicle on site. as for the spectators I think they don't get charged as much because of the amount of people that show up 5 bucks a head adds up pretty quickly plus for families with 5 or more people any more than $5 bucks ahead might be a little more than most people can afford. last year I stood around and talked to the owner of a bog in which im not going to say said he raised his price from $5 per truck to $20 to possibly help weed out all the people who are disrespectful and tear up the parking area or roads when they are coming and going or taking advantage of the privilege that he is allowing them to play on his property, bawgin on someone elses property isn't a "right" its a privilege! if that make sense.
I don't have a problem paying there prices just thinking they should do like a family price if your bringing your bogger $20 for me and $20 to get the family in so $40 just to get in or if the wife takes her's $55. Then $200 for fuel hope there no brackege. So a family price would be nice. i do go and pay there prices
considering most bogs that get shut down are because of the spectators maybe it is time to charge them more for our privilege to play....after all they are only watching and ruining what we love to do.
Fun cost money. Hell, it cost me over $100 anytime my old lady wants to leave the house.
Right now most bogs for me and the family are spectator only and it's 25 plus gas and snacks and to be honest I'm embarrassed enough showing up in a Kia.But would not mind a lil hike like 10 for parking and driver and 5 for each passenger. If it would help drop the price on the guys who are there to play. It mightalso help keep some of the trouble makers out that are giving us a bad name
Quote from: marshall on April 23, 2014, 04:13:51 PM
Fun cost money. Hell, it cost me over $100 anytime my old lady wants to leave the house.
L.M.A.O. applaudd ;D ;D
Im going out on a limb here but who cares.... 300 to 500 to rent a pull out vehicle for the day, 2+ days of prep needing a vehicle thats the same or more a day, soo right theres about 1200 to 1500. Then if theres a porta john... Takes a hole lot of $10 to get there..
Quote from: magic on April 23, 2014, 03:07:48 PM
considering most bogs that get shut down are because of the spectators maybe it is time to charge them more for our privilege to play....after all they are only watching and ruining what we love to do.
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suppin to think about normally when you bring a truck , you have your "groupies" or family with ya
trucks and driver free (we do put on the show) gas and prep $200 , Truck $20,000 (estimate AVG) ,looks on spectators faces PRICELESS
and charge 10$ a head,
lets not let this sport get to the outrageous football, basketball and all other sports prices to get in !!!
I like what Sick n Twisted had going No Drinking No carts quads no pets thing
just my thoughts
Quote from: big red on April 24, 2014, 01:58:36 AM
Im going out on a limb here but who cares.... 300 to 500 to rent a pull out vehicle for the day, 2+ days of prep needing a vehicle thats the same or more a day, soo right theres about 1200 to 1500. Then if theres a porta john... Takes a hole lot of $10 to get there..
how does 300-500 turn into 1200 to 1500? He's not saying anything about what he pays just asked about why it's more if he's bringing the show. I feel it's a very valid question and point especially when it's also pointed out the the things that get bogs shut down come from the spectator side!
The one good thing of paying 20 per truck is it keeps most the daily drivers out of the pit, I hate it when Joe blow with his stock daily driver is stuck in the deepest pit cuz he's drunk and his ass clown buddies dared him to go in it, now wasting the time of the recovery vehicle to pull him out
I also like the trailer in only rule
Mr nasty, 3 to 4 days of $500 a day, adds up fast. Also, so if its only the people without trucks causing problems, how come people with some badass rigs are not allowed to a bog? If you want me to give you the answer to my own question here. Its people getting wasted and bogging, if there trucks stock or built, same thing to me, your wasted in a motorized vehicle around people and kids..
Quote from: marshall on April 23, 2014, 04:13:51 PM
Fun cost money. Hell, it cost me over $100 anytime my old lady wants to leave the house.
im guessing it costs more than that when you leave the house, lol.
I personally love the idea of alcohol free bogs.
We always talk about safety when we are wheeling and drinking is the most dangerous part.
I also agree that it will keep the spectators more under control and keep them from ruining the sport.
Quote from: big red on April 25, 2014, 12:52:20 AM
Mr nasty, 3 to 4 days of $500 a day, adds up fast. Also, so if its only the people without trucks causing problems, how come people with some badass rigs are not allowed to a bog? If you want me to give you the answer to my own question here. Its people getting wasted and bogging, if there trucks stock or built, same thing to me, your wasted in a motorized vehicle around people and kids..
i don't condone people getting drunk or high and bogging but who the hell asked you to bring your kids to an adult event? i for one am sick to death of hearing how i need to look out for others peoples kids....if you bringing kids that need to be looked after....you pay attention and look out for them and plz stop expecting others to babysit for ya :)....public service announcement and end of rant lol
ANOTHER SUBJECT THAT WILL NEVER DIE, IT WILL JUST BE REWRITTEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY
Quote from: michigan maniac on April 24, 2014, 06:59:13 PM
The one good thing of paying 20 per truck is it keeps most the daily drivers out of the pit, I hate it when Joe blow with his stock daily driver is stuck in the deepest pit cuz he's drunk and his ass clown buddies dared him to go in it, now wasting the time of the recovery vehicle to pull him out
I also like the trailer in only rule
I FEEL YOUR PAIN AND FUSTRATIONS WITH "SMALLER" TRUCKS, BUT THEN I REMEMBER THAT I STARTED THAT WAY (DAILY DRIVER) AND OVER THE YRS BUILT MY TRAILER ONLY BOGGER.
AS YOU KNOW WITH THE WAY YR TRUCK RUNS IT TAKES LOTS OF TIME AND MONEY TO ACHIEVE THE LEVEL OF BOGGIN THAT WE DO.
AND BESIDES SOME OF THE BEST MOMENTS AND F-UPS OF A BOG HAPPEN WHEN YA HEAR THOSE FAMOUS WORDS
"HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS, I CAN MAKE IT"
Quote from: derbydude on April 25, 2014, 01:15:47 AM
Quote from: marshall on April 23, 2014, 04:13:51 PM
Fun cost money. Hell, it cost me over $100 anytime my old lady wants to leave the house.
im guessing it costs more than that when you leave the house, lol.
only if shes with me :)
Quote from: magic on April 25, 2014, 03:51:10 AM
Quote from: big red on April 25, 2014, 12:52:20 AM
Mr nasty, 3 to 4 days of $500 a day, adds up fast. Also, so if its only the people without trucks causing problems, how come people with some badass rigs are not allowed to a bog? If you want me to give you the answer to my own question here. Its people getting wasted and bogging, if there trucks stock or built, same thing to me, your wasted in a motorized vehicle around people and kids..
i don't condone people getting drunk or high and bogging but who the hell asked you to bring your kids to an adult event? i for one am sick to death of hearing how i need to look out for others peoples kids....if you bringing kids that need to be looked after....you pay attention and look out for them and plz stop expecting others to babysit for ya :)....public service announcement and end of rant lol
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Quote from: Thumper on April 26, 2014, 11:34:38 AM
Quote from: michigan maniac on April 24, 2014, 06:59:13 PM
The one good thing of paying 20 per truck is it keeps most the daily drivers out of the pit, I hate it when Joe blow with his stock daily driver is stuck in the deepest pit cuz he's drunk and his ass clown buddies dared him to go in it, now wasting the time of the recovery vehicle to pull him out
I also like the trailer in only rule
I FEEL YOUR PAIN AND FUSTRATIONS WITH "SMALLER" TRUCKS, BUT THEN I REMEMBER THAT I STARTED THAT WAY (DAILY DRIVER) AND OVER THE YRS BUILT MY TRAILER ONLY BOGGER.
AS YOU KNOW WITH THE WAY YR TRUCK RUNS IT TAKES LOTS OF TIME AND MONEY TO ACHIEVE THE LEVEL OF BOGGIN THAT WE DO.
AND BESIDES SOME OF THE BEST MOMENTS AND F-UPS OF A BOG HAPPEN WHEN YA HEAR THOSE FAMOUS WORDS
"HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS, I CAN MAKE IT"
I guess its not so much the smaller trucks, I've seen smaller trucks rip pretty good, and that's how most of us started, you gotta start somehwere, its the guy that came to a bog to just "watch" then gets drunk and takes his stocker in the pit
Did any of you guys read his post? He never said he didn't want to pay! He just was referencing the fact that with out the trucks you'd have drunks in a field on Saturday!
I don't mind paying the $20 a truck to get in with a pull out.
I really like the trailer rule, it keeps stockers DDs out of the pit. ( I hate them suck in the way over n over) really.
No drinking doesn't bother me either as I drink myself, 9 times out of 10 the spectators drunk is problems.
I also like tire limits ( if ya got a pit for 38s bigger don't bring 33s cuz it ain't hapening
I've been to 100s of bogs and even hosted a few, I do see pros n cons
I can see this is a topic that we all have a problem with. I for one have no problem with drinking just no when to STOP bogging. To drunk to drive is just that!!!!! ==np ==wgm ;D ??? ???
it is what it is. As a matter of opinion I would say make it the same price at both gates. One person is there to have fun and watch a show, the other is there to have fun and tear p00 up. Both entry fee's should cover the costs of the recovery, out house & etc, you are all there for the same show. I decided a while ago I'm done with any public bogs that allow alcohol in either gate. Common sense to say alcohol and gasoline don't mix. But that's a whole nother subject ;D
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Quote from: NuttinButtMudd on April 24, 2014, 10:01:29 AM
suppin to think about normally when you bring a truck , you have your "groupies" or family with ya
trucks and driver free (we do put on the show) gas and prep $200 , Truck $20,000 (estimate AVG) ,looks on spectators faces PRICELESS
and charge 10$ a head,
lets not let this sport get to the outrageous football, basketball and all other sports prices to get in !!!
I like what Sick n Twisted had going No Drinking No carts quads no pets thing
just my thoughts
I am with you on this.Well put. GotMud?
Magic, how can you say a mud bog is an "adult" place?? side note, i dont have a truck, if theres a bunch of trucks and a badass pit i would pay $20 to walk in. If it was all set up right
How many kids rides or kid activities are going on at a mudbog? Not many. I think what he is saying is everyone should watch their kids responsibly, and make sure they aren't in harms way. On the other side of it, I'd be down for an alcohol free family bog. Booze and horsepower don't mix.
Quote from: big red on April 27, 2014, 12:49:30 AM
Magic, how can you say a mud bog is an "adult" place?? side note, i dont have a truck, if theres a bunch of trucks and a badass pit i would pay $20 to walk in. If it was all set up right
i say that in response to you saying stuff about safety....some of our trucks are pretty big and do at times get a lil out of control and it sucks to have to not only worry about my safety but that of a kid not paying attention that i didn't bring....i guess you will understand more when you grow up and realize it's not ok to put your kids in harms way and expect me to be responsible for it.
Im a grown man, if your truck is out of control that close to the crowd then its your responsibility to get it and stay as in control as possible, i for one dont have kids but i have taken my cousin to bogs because she loves it, and if anyone was out of control and hit her.... All i got to say is, if you go to a bog to get stupid drunk and drive its still driving under the influence, drinking and driving is not aloud at small tracks "dixie/autocity", for safety of the big horsepower accidents
I went to Blanchard road mud bog with my kids Saturday. I didn't stay because everybody was smoking around my kids..
I think its funny how people that don't drink but will put kids in there jeep/truck and smoke.
SIMPLE. NO SPECTATORS.NO QUADS.NO DOGS.SMALL CIRCLE OF FRIENDS AND ONE NASTY ASS SWAMP. ==np ++peace ==wgm
Quote from: big red on April 27, 2014, 10:51:26 PM
Im a grown man, if your truck is out of control that close to the crowd then its your responsibility to get it and stay as in control as possible, i for one dont have kids but i have taken my cousin to bogs because she loves it, and if anyone was out of control and hit her.... All i got to say is, if you go to a bog to get stupid drunk and drive its still driving under the influence, drinking and driving is not aloud at small tracks "dixie/autocity", for safety of the big horsepower accidents
you let me know when you are gonna drive a mud truck with 4 to 5 hundred horse and you think you are gonna be always in "control" of it ok....you have a lot to learn about life. you just keep bringing kids to mud bogs and some day when they get hurt and the bog gets shut down we can all have a debate over whose job is it to take care of the people you brought to an "adult" event :)
Accidents happen no matter how in control you are. I watched a tow hook off a stuck truck take a grown women to the ground from 200yds away. That day I had a total different view of kids at a bog!
I bring my boys to bogs
BUT my kids also know what they are aloud and not to do, where to stay and where not to, I am very hard on them about this for there and others safety but yet I have trained them from day one .
There is some bogs that I will not take them to because of .........
You all are right some are adult bogs and some ARE family friendly.
Point is if takeing children please teach them and have them under control at all times, because us in trucks cannot see very well covered in mud
it's people like big red that bug me...he doesn't even have a truck to take to these events but acts like he knows all and has all the answers.....people with his way of thinking are not good for this sport no what what price we pay to get in....smh
Sorry but any "sport" you participate in you take the risk of being hurt, its the nature of the beast, not everyone has the same saftey concerns or standards and the person next to them, if you take kids to a bog you should be responsible for them, like Joe said his kids are very well behaved at bogs and have been taught, unfortunately not every one out there cares about saftey
We put on the bog at Countryboyz in Marion and we charge $5 for everyone and we have two tractors on sight and new this year we will have a 4x4 tractor
The 5 bogs we put on just pay for the taxes on the farm and fuel in the pull out / prep rigs
So because i cant afford to have a rig i want " im picky" that makes me bad? I though mudding was about having fun watching and putting on a show? yes i dont have a truck, but i do no alot about a little.
Quote from: big red on April 30, 2014, 02:59:40 AM
So because i cant afford to have a rig i want " im picky" that makes me bad? I though mudding was about having fun watching and putting on a show? yes i dont have a truck, but i do no alot about a little.
so far i've seen you say us with the trucks should pay more....we are all the problem and why bogs are getting shut down and you think you have the right to bring who ever you want to a bog and have us babysit them....did i miss anything Mr. Know it All lmao....wow
Quote from: MR NASTY on April 26, 2014, 01:58:24 PM
Did any of you guys read his post? He never said he didn't want to pay! He just was referencing the fact that with out the trucks you'd have drunks in a field on Saturday!
ive never been ran over by someone drunk on there feet kicked a couple of times yes but the trucks are what increases the liability too the property owner this whole topic has turned into a double edged sword imo shure it would be awesome too get paid too run our trucks but im no dennis anderson
did everyone forget , what this post is about , bog prices ,not who has trucks and who don't have trucks lets get her back on track folks , settle your differences else where folks
Quote from: NuttinButtMudd on April 30, 2014, 10:30:34 AM
did everyone forget , what this post is about , bog prices ,not who has trucks and who don't have trucks lets get her back on track folks , settle your differences else where folks
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Got off subject pretty quick !!!
Yep, and Mods are watchin too!!
Couple of you are pushin the limits of civility and CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION
KEEP IT FRIENDLY or take it out behind the barn (ie.. PM's)
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Meh. Discussions naturally run off topic. Keep it civil though :) ==nodrama
delete all but the first post!!!!!! start over
I just seen that play bog in Iosco County this weekend cost $10 per person and $20 for the truck
Quote from: Thumper on April 26, 2014, 11:26:33 AM
ANOTHER SUBJECT THAT WILL NEVER DIE, IT WILL JUST BE REWRITTEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY
never changes does it lmao
Quote from: magic on April 28, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: big red on April 27, 2014, 10:51:26 PM
Im a grown man, if your truck is out of control that close to the crowd then its your responsibility to get it and stay as in control as possible, i for one dont have kids but i have taken my cousin to bogs because she loves it, and if anyone was out of control and hit her.... All i got to say is, if you go to a bog to get stupid drunk and drive its still driving under the influence, drinking and driving is not aloud at small tracks "dixie/autocity", for safety of the big horsepower accidents
you let me know when you are gonna drive a mud truck with 4 to 5 hundred horse and you think you are gonna be always in "control" of it ok....you have a lot to learn about life. you just keep bringing kids to mud bogs and some day when they get hurt and the bog gets shut down we can all have a debate over whose job is it to take care of the people you brought to an "adult" event :)
its not the truck its the driver who thinks he needs to show off out of pit RE; donuts,racing around boggin should be done in pit RESPECT THE PROPERTY AND ITS OWNER
Right the show is in the pit. KEEP it there.
Quote from: Boggen Joe on May 02, 2014, 09:23:37 PM
Right the show is in the pit. KEEP it there.
100% agree....and as far as keep it civil i feel the need to stand up for the boggers who go to put on a show and have mr know it all without a truck tell us that we are the problem and should pay the bulk of the price...
Here's an awnser for everyone... If you don't like the price don't go, if you don't like the drinking don't go... There are bogs that are 5 dollar min donation and there are comp bogs that allow no drinking by the drivers pick your battles end of story, there is no "real" rules when at a play bog its up to the owners to keep control and charge what they feel is ok, sometime its good, sometimes its not so good end rant
we should not end this conversation/argument lets keep it going I think we can get 100 pages worth
IF YA WANNA PLAY, YOUR GONNA PAY
LET'S GO MUDDIN BOYS............................................................................and girls
OH CRAP, WHAT WERE WE TALKING ABOUT
DON'T LISTEN TO BUBBA OR BOGGER JOE THOSE TO GUYS ARE F-IN CRAZY
WHAT'S UP GUYS
I understand both sides of this discussion. But.
Building a truck takes money. No arguement there at all. Look at just the cost of a good set of tires.
I have also thought the cost of getting into some bogs was a bit pricey.
But how many of the people that have commented on here have gone to concerts or even a pro ball game of some type?
You think nothing of paying 35-100 dollars for a ticket. Pay obscene amounts for drinks and food, enjoy yourself. And go home.
Well, you had a nice time didn't you. Never mind that some of that exspensive ticket money goes to cleaning up after the event.
I'm not saying every person who goes to a event leaves a mess behind. BUT there is always a mess to clean up afterwards.
Sorry to say,but its kinda like that at a bog. Alot of people mentioned the prep at a bog.
What about the clean up. After its all done everyone had a blast.
Do you seriously think the ruts that are in the pit are gonna level themselves out? What about cleaning the mud out of the pit area?
Who picks up the garbage? Any volunteers??
The cost of a truck was mentioned. Like i said. I build em all the time. Nothing on them is cheap. Anyone stop to think what the cost of that nice 4x4 tractor,dozer or excavator that hooked up to everyone costs?? Think they are free?? That isn't someones toy. They make a living with that. So if something gets broke on it. It has to be fixed. And it doesn't get to sit there until they can afford the parts.
I noticed the people who put on the major bogs have not chimed in on this. Maybe you should ask them what it cost to put on a bog before you start bashing prices, or better yet. Help put on a bog, or put one on yourself.
Swampthing you have a lot of good points. I k ow the better/ bigger bogs will pull in 8k easy on one bog. I used to help run one of them so I have seen the $ that rolls in from a well known and liked pit, but let the drinking and people get out of controll and it will be shut down faster than you can blink.
I looked at it as a buisness, that machine that is used for recovery gets paid for, without it you most likely won't have a good turn out of trucks, no trucks no people to watch, no people to watch no $ rolling in.
We as mudders pay good $ to run our rigs and I don't mind paying.... but I think we need to make these events safer. Keep the spectators seperat from the boggers a lot like what Perkins did!
That way the people are out of harms way a much as possible, plus it really sucks when you want to run your truck but you have to walk around for an hour to find out who the a**hole is the parked their car behind your truck is so that they can move! Just my opinion.
Swamp thing the debate is the spectator vrs truck price not the price in general
The debate was why should a truck have to pay more to get into a bog.
Right and your going on and on about the cost to put on the bog
You think if no truck showed that the people still will? No they will follow the action/the reason they came in the first place
Quote from: MR NASTY on May 04, 2014, 06:33:51 PM
You think if no truck showed that the people still will? No they will follow the action/the reason they came in the first place
Like thumper said you gotta pay to play