bailout Auto

[Bigdaddy]

takin corprate jet to borrow money,
kinda like drivin the cadillac to the welfare office

[RIP_K52007]

takin corprate jet to borrow money,
kinda like drivin the cadillac to the welfare office

you laugh... my moms drove her caddy to welfare office...

[Ranger Dave]

i like what the  goverment  just  said,


Give us a plan  before  you  get the  money.     


sounds good to me   

[Eroq]

i think it shouldnt pass....

unions need to go......

they get paid $30+/hr for doin jack while i'm out workin my ass off for $8/hr....

[Econo-box from Hell]

Well I REALLY REALLY hope most of YOU drive American made cars/trucks/suv's, if NOT your just as much to blame. JMO


I will ALWAYS buy american.

are you talking about my chevy that is made in Mexico?

bwahahahahah

[free2blaze]

I vote NO, I personally think like wall street they put them self in the situation that there in, with the price of gas what is everyone buying for a daily driver? small fuel efficent cars, the majority of those cars are forign cars because forign cars are just that fuel efficent, and anyone who buys a suv or big truck for a daily driver lives five minuets from work or just makes too much money, jmo,and are any of the big three doing enough to produce fuel efficent cars? if they are I havent seen it, GM is hell bent on suv's, ford is trucks and crysler is muscle cars and they dont seem to want to change that, not enough to save there asses anyway, but on another point cars will always be needed and the first one of the big three to come up with somthing affordable and highly fuel efficent will prevail, I do have some faith in ford or gm to do somthing that will bring em out of there self made grave, again jmo.
I drive an olds.

[tcb]

No.

If the union would stop protecting those who drink/drugs/sleep or do nothing on the job  from getting fired, who also get paid dream amounts for the rest of us.

I mean if I were to do half the crap I saw at GM when I was a contractor a few months ago I would be fired instantly. They got too many people not doing crap abusing the system. I also met people who would sit at the job bank and answer the phone telling them to "f#!k off" and slamming the phone down because they knew nobody could touch them. They would brag about this to me all while making more money than I can dream of. Just not right.

The union had it's place but now it's gone too far.

[tcb]

Also out of the 11 cars I've owned all have been Ford/Mercury/Chevrolet/GMC

[Bronco Buster]

It really isn't a bailout as in free money, it's a low interest loan.  There's nothing wrong with that, except if the big 3 can't turn a profit the loan will never be paid off and they will be liquidated.  A lot needs to happen with the big three, they need to become profitable, they exist to make a profit, not to provide jobs.  That's  how a proper capitalistic society works.  When big government steps in and spreads money around it's called socialism.  Except this time they are socializing the losses and privatizing the gains.  The problem lies when socialism turns in to facsisim.  Big Government controls how we live, what we're allowed to say in public, and our freedoms are stripped.  What needs to happen is stop printing money, our fiat currency system is on the brink of destruction, for every dollar printed, each existing dollar looses value.  I say let the markets work.  Sometimes it's painful, but it's better than the alternative.  Imagine if the horse and buggy companies were bailed out and government suppressed the technology of the gas engine.  

[Hammerlane]

Amen 

[Ranger Dave]

all 3  will tell you  there  making  money in every other  country they have  plants in.    i think they can use that  money  for here.    why  not

[Gearz]

NO bail out  let it all fall. let the fat cats die. kill the union all it protects is the lazy man that wants a pay checks for doing little as possible. Go back too the days where you work or you don't get payed. And I have know problem saying That 1/2 the people there don't work hard at all. They don't even know what hard work is . so putt them on a farm an make them work. They would all probably fall over dead because that's what they are dead weight. I will stop because I'm going too get too worked up. They have made too much money all these years an now they want help. lets go back to horse an buggy

[Hammerlane]

I say merge them all into 1 company...

it will stop all the whining, bickering and bytchin bout' which is better....



But what to call it??
any ideas??

how bout'  "General Forysler Motors"

[HeatherLuvsMud]

I heard a great suggestion today on the radio.....have the oil companies bail out the big 3. Which I think theoretically is a great idea but would never want it to happen because it would push us back up to $5 a gallon before we knew what hit us.

[Cannaert]

Yes we should.

We all are balling out the Banks. They made stupid ass desitons as well and we all have to pay for there stupidity to give loans and money to people that never could affor d the payments.
The US Auto industry built what the people wanted and they all wanted Big trucks and SUVs that got 13 MPG. I dont blam them for what they did i blam the people that wanted the Big Gas Hogs.

Its the biggest F ing joke to bail out one group for making a dumn ass desition and not another. I guess a lot of people ant to give Japan our money instead of the US.

OH yeaand every time some buys a new Car from Toyota, Honda or any other nonUS company the money that is made off that car goes to that country NOT to us here in the US

[Cannaert]

I forgot to say this. The Unions do need to Fail that is the biggest draw back to the US auto makers. I

[just one more]

i have been working for a top notch gm supplier
for 6 years,we are non-union, we do not get ridiculious
wages.I am a maintenance man and i am just under
$20 an hour and thats with machine tool certifications.
I don't know weather or not a "bailout" is the best
idea or not, maybe chapter 11 resrtucturing would
be best,but we should not let these company just
perish when we are bailing out wall street and all
these lending agencies that keep politicians pockets
lined! I think we should eliminate the  auto
unions that are sucking these companys dry and make
damn sure that those workers still get what thier worth
the unions may have helped our forefathers get fare wages but different times call for different measures

[bmwallace_88]

i voted yes for the simple fact of the people that have dedicated there lives to working there and probably wont find a job elsewhere, i do think some changed need to be made, some of the high ups ceos, and such need to take pay cuts,




edit;
Free2blaze - they're all trying to do something to make more mpg machines, i mean look at the chevy aveo,then you got the chevy Hybrid burban, yeah its still a big suv, but still gets better mpg than the other ones, or the "volt" that they're trying to make into something other than a concept car, looks like hell but it sports 40+ mpg ford focus is pretty much a new escort which is once again a mpg getting at 35+ mpg, i just dont see how you can say they're not trying, when they mostly are



Cannaert- "Toyota Motor North America headquarters is located in New York City and operates at a holding company level in North America. Its manufacturing headquarters is located in Hebron, Kentucky, and is known as Toyota Motor Engineering and Manufacturing North America, or TEMA.
Toyota has a large presence in the United States with five major assembly plants in Huntsville, Alabama; Georgetown, Kentucky; Princeton, Indiana; San Antonio, Texas; Buffalo, West Virginia; and a new one being built in Blue Springs, Mississippi. Toyota also has a joint-venture operation with General Motors at New United Motor Manufacturing Inc. (NUMMI), in Fremont, California, which began in 1984, and with Subaru at Subaru of Indiana Automotive, Inc. (SIA), in Lafayette, Indiana, which started in 2006. Production on a new manufacturing plant in Tupelo, Mississippi is scheduled for completion in 2010. North America is a major automobile market for Toyota. In these assembly plants, the Toyota Camry and the 2007 Toyota Tundra are manufactured, among others.
Toyota marketing, sales, and distribution in the U.S. are conducted through a separate subsidiary, Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. Toyota uses a number of slogans in its American TV commercials such as It's time to move forward, Smart way to keep moving forward, or Moving forward. It has started producing larger trucks, such as the new Toyota Tundra, to go after the large truck market in the United States. Toyota is also pushing hybrid vehicles in the US such as the Prius, Toyota Camry Hybrid, Highlander Hybrid, and various Lexus products.
Toyota has sold more hybrid vehicles in the country than any other manufacturer. Toyota is a public corporation and the company's shares are traded on the Tokyo Stock Exchange, New York Stock Exchange and the London Stock Exchange. Toyota also sponsors Chivas de Guadalajara."

so as you can see, they are TRYING to bring jobs over, so i dont think toyota is a good example of the us losing money when they buy one, since they're producing trucks here, which means they are making jobs, which is only trying to help the us ecom