Bail out the Auto industry, or no.
i say no,
if i run my house, like they run them company my p00 get shut off.
please keep it clean. drama free
i added poll on top
i vote yes,
because of all the jobs at stake..... big 3 is about only big american buisness left...
alot on the table here, my folk are retired GM workers,
i think there pension is on the line... they both worked 30 yrs for GM =60 yrs of service...
if gov. dont help out the factorys, it could forever damage michigan/US economy...
I voted no, but I think something should be done. You're right BD, that would be a lot of jobs and a lot of people that devoted their lives to a company, I wouldn't want them being stuck in the situation of actually retiring and not having a pension.
something should be done. We need something to get us jump started and going back on track.
i think if they bail them out,should be some changes, as in changes of management...
get rid of the over paid fat cats & put a workin man in position of being boss JMO
Quote from: Plop on November 19, 2008, 08:15:20 PM
something should be done. We need something to get us jump started and going back on track.
i didnt think about out military, they my need them plants. change the managament then help them out i guess
i say yes... but we need some crap to change like quit paying to have troops in countrys that have no problems taking care of themselves.. pretty much being police... n the list goes on.. but in the case of that many jobs and retirment stuff they need help. if the big 3 went down that would be that many more people applying for help from the government... which hasnt helped get us where we are. IMO ==2cents ;D gmcc
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--alot of the big threes problem is the price of new cars.. if you didnt have to make 20,000 a year before you can even consider a new vechilce then they might sell more of them.-- one of my friends got his self into a new ford, problem is he makes pizza for a living... every dime he makes goes into paying for that truck.. i can tell ya one thing, my s10 has more metal in it than that f150. there isnt any reason for what new vehicles cost other than what the companys pay their employee's.--
Very good topic RD! applaudd
If there's no bail out, you can kiss ALOT of Michigan jobs GOOD BY...Stop and think about how many people you know, that work in some part of the auto industry. Not just the big three. All the people that work at DELFI, LDM, LEER. All the molders, Stampers, ETC... There's more at risk than most people think, I heard some people talking today about how they need to learn a lesson. Well It's not going to be just "them". Think your having a hard time finding a job now, Wait till all those other people are out there looking. Think of all the forclosed homes, It would also drive down the value of your house. I'm not sure if a bail out is what we need, But something needs to be done. :)
JUST A MAD DEAL FOR OVERPAID PEOPLE AND WE CAN'T AFFORD NEW VEHICALS CAUSE THERE OVER PAYED
HELP THEY OUT DROP PAY TO WHAT WE ALL MAKE NEW CARS DROP PRICE WE ALL BUY NEW CARS THEY STILL SELL CARS TRUCKS PEOPLE STILL WORKIN EVERYWHERE I KNEW GUYS IN THERE MAKIN 45 TO 70 DOLLARS AN HOUR HOILIDAY 2X AND 3X OVERTIME
why are we asked to bail out a company, that the ceo's and all the other fat cats make over 10 million a year? they are all in washington right now... how did they get there? northwest? nope.... there fancy lear jet that there company pays for... and there threatning bankrupcy? i dont get it...
I have to say YES help the auto industry. Hello they bailed out the banks that gave AWAY bad mortgages and your not going to help the auto industry that really is just BORROWING the money. The banks problem was there fault 100%. The auto industry is suffering because of the economy.
Yes I agree changes need to be done, I live close to the tech center and often eat breakfast at a nearby diner that alot of those GM tech's go to. I arrive after them and leave before them, they sit there for hours smoking, getting paid, of course on the clock.
i agree with part of what you say, but it is the auto industry that is sending our jobs over to other countrys, thats why our ecomy is going sour. maby them country can bail them out ==dunno and i don't think they needed to fly 3 private jets, to the same place to ask for a hand out. at 20.000 a trip. maby thats where the troubles at. the top.
Quote from: Ranger Dave on November 20, 2008, 12:58:25 AM
but it is the auto industry that is sending our jobs over to other countrys, thats why our ecomy is going sour. maby them country can bail them out ==dunno
x2 applaudd maybe ask Mexico/China & all other countries the Big 3 moved too, Ask them for a loan too....
==hmmm
X3 applaudd
I vote yes, but, there must be stipulations with it! If the answer is no there is a lot more people that will suffer than the GM workers and Fatcats!....................My wife and I work for a stamping plant that supplies the Big 3 and Toyota with OEM parts, We are UAW and do the same work they do at the Big 3 but make far less money........and no bonuses! I think there should be changes in the Big 3, there is so much wasted money at GM its sickening, I have worked with GM retirees and you wouldnt believe the stupid things they waste money on, the Gov. should help but they should help with guidelines that must be complied with! My dad is a GM retiree, he was a supervisor for 30 years, been retired since '94, this year they cut his health insurance out, there is something seriously wrong with that, my dad worked 10-12 hours a day for years to raise 4 kids, and now look what GM did to him! GM's forgetting about the people who got them where there at now!!!
Quote from: Bigdaddy on November 20, 2008, 01:00:18 AM
Quote from: Ranger Dave on November 20, 2008, 12:58:25 AM
but it is the auto industry that is sending our jobs over to other countrys, thats why our ecomy is going sour. maby them country can bail them out ==dunno
x2 applaudd maybe ask Mexico/China & all other countries the Big 3 moved too, Ask them for a loan too....
==hmmm
lol where do you thing the US is gnna get the money to bail the big 3 out?... the gov. dont have any money left... borrowing everything from china just to keep everything going in iraq. Prolly barrowed the 700 billion or whatever from china to bail out our stock market stuff too.
Well I REALLY REALLY hope most of YOU drive American made cars/trucks/suv's, if NOT your just as much to blame. JMO
I will ALWAYS buy american.
I never bought new.. alsways used... all i can afford.. so my profits go the the prevous owner lol.
Oh and other thing if we didn't FEED how many other countries just maybe that money could go for what is needed here.
I can't stand the fact that their is people in this country homeless,hungry and jobless and our government sends billions of aid to other countries. WE as the AMERICAN people should be taken care of FIRST and foremost and then whats extra(none..lol) can go to help others.
Sorry a little off topic but it just pisses me off.
Quote from: littleredgmc on November 20, 2008, 02:06:30 AM
I never bought new.. alsways used... all i can afford.. so my profits go the the prevous owner lol.
You know what, thats alright, the money is still staying in America, well hopefully...lol
i have fordd chevv and dodgee in my driveway IM all American ;D
WHAT ABOUT YOU ;D
I have a fordd and then I have a jeepp and I also have a dodgee
ALL AMERICAN!
before you vote yes there a few facts the auto works union said they wouldnt even cosider a pay cut for workers and most of them make 25 to 35 a hour every one in the airlines have taken pay cuts and they are not asking for a bail out these car companys are poorly run people working at toyoa make as much and they not in this bad of shape the union has to change ive been in toyotas plants and gm and ford there is no comparison the toyota is much more organized and more productive i no guys that work at ford who have there friends clock them in and out and there out playing golf and this happens often this bail out stuff is getting old one of the banks that recieved bail out money used it to buy anotherr bank explain that one
i think they should go in to bankrupsy and restructure, that would not be out of are paocket and no one would lose there jobs. ==dunno
but on the other hand, we need them all for all the smaller shops all over this country and the military.
Damned if they do - cause the Unions and fatcats won't change, they'll just go whew.. dodged another bullet.. and continue on as if nothings changed.
Damned if they don't - the loss of jobs will be huge... from the actual plants to the suppliers to the restaurants that feed the workers to the gas stations that fuel their cars to etc... etc... etc...
i say give'um the money, our gov. has no problem givin it to other countrys, to help there causes but wont do a damned thing for our own country,american people losing homes, jobs,
as Hammer says, damned if we do, damned if we dont ==idunno, i say save our american companys, (with stipulations of course) save american jobs..... a=f & for christ sake, buy american whenever possable, the job you save.... might be your own.... a=f
from what I know i say no. If they don't get the money they will have to make drastic changes and that is whats needed.
and they don't need private jets. security is a BS excuse
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/aut...ets/index.html
QuoteBy Josh Levs
CNN
(CNN) -- Some lawmakers lashed out at the CEOs of the Big Three auto companies Wednesday for flying private jets to Washington to request taxpayer bailout money.
Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli, left, and Ford CEO Alan Mulally testify on Capitol Hill on Wednesday.
"There is a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off of them with tin cups in their hand, saying that they're going to be trimming down and streamlining their businesses," Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-New York, told the chief executive officers of Ford, Chrysler and General Motors at a hearing of the House Financial Services Committee.
"It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high hat and tuxedo. It kind of makes you a little bit suspicious."
He added, "couldn't you all have downgraded to first class or jet-pooled or something to get here? It would have at least sent a message that you do get it."
The executives -- Alan Mulally of Ford, Robert Nardelli of Chrysler and Richard Wagoner of GM -- were seeking support for a $25 billion loan package. Later Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid reversed plans to hold a test vote on the measure.
An aide told CNN that Reid decided to cancel the test vote when it became clear the measure would fall well short of the 60 votes needed. Reid did, however, make a procedural move that could allow a vote on a compromise, which several senators from auto-producing states were feverishly trying to craft.
At Wednesday's hearing, Rep. Brad Sherman, D-California, pressed the private-jet issue, asking the three CEOs to "raise their hand if they flew here commercial."
"Let the record show, no hands went up," Sherman said. "Second, I'm going to ask you to raise your hand if you are planning to sell your jet in place now and fly back commercial. Let the record show, no hands went up."
The executives did not specifically respond to those remarks. In their testimony, they said they are streamlining business operations in general. Watch Nardelli ask for help »
When contacted by CNN, the three auto companies defended the CEOs' travel as standard procedure.
Like many other major corporations, all three have policies requiring their CEOs to travel in private jets for safety reasons.
"Making a big to-do about this when issues vital to the jobs of millions of Americans are being discussed in Washington is diverting attention away from a critical debate that will determine the future health of the auto industry and the American economy," GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson said in a statement.
Chrysler spokeswoman Lori McTavish said in a statement, "while always being mindful of company costs, all business travel requires the highest standard of safety for all employees."
Ford spokeswoman Kelli Felker pointed to the company's travel policy and did not provide a statement elaborating.
"If it is simply the company's money at stake, then only the shareholders can be upset or feel as it might be excessive," said Thomas Schatz, president of the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste.
But in this case, he said, "it's outrageous."
"They're coming to Washington to beg the taxpayers to help them. It's unseemly to be running around on a $20,000 flight versus a $500 round trip," Schatz added. iReport.com: Should the Big Three be bailed out?
The companies did not disclose how much the flights cost.
Analysts contacted by CNN noted that the prices vary with the size of the plane and the crew, and whether the aircraft is leased or owned by the company.
Analyst Richard Aboulafia of the Teal Group said that $20,000 is a legitimate ballpark figure for a round trip corporate jet flight between Detroit, Michigan, and Washington.
When asked whether they plan to change their travel policies as part of the restructuring needed to shore up their finances, none of the companies answered directly. But they said they have cut back on travel in general as revenues have fallen.
lol where do you thing the US is gnna get the money to bail the big 3 out?... the gov. dont have any money left... borrowing everything from china just to keep everything going in iraq. Prolly barrowed the 700 billion or whatever from china to bail out our stock market stuff too.
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ok now not to change subject here but the 700 billion used to bail out the stock market was the answer to all americas problems. they just did it wrong. don't let the money trickle down let it trickle up. it they split that money evenly with every registered voter in america who payes taxes (AKA has a job) we would have got 480,000 a pice I belive thats how the figures worked out. the answer to all this it all out morgaes are paied cars are paied off and were back to spending money on things we really don't need, Extra cars, toys, motorcycles, and the list goes on and on and the econamy goes up and up because all the bills from middle class people are paied
==roll ==roll seems like these guys have been taking buisness advice from Kwalme.. applaudd applaudd
Quote from: 96_Bronco on November 20, 2008, 04:05:36 PM
lol where do you thing the US is gnna get the money to bail the big 3 out?... the gov. dont have any money left... borrowing everything from china just to keep everything going in iraq. Prolly barrowed the 700 billion or whatever from china to bail out our stock market stuff too.
ok now not to change subject here but the 700 billion used to bail out the stock market was the answer to all americas problems. they just did it wrong. don't let the money trickle down let it trickle up. it they split that money evenly with every registered voter in america who payes taxes (AKA has a job) we would have got 480,000 a pice I belive thats how the figures worked out. the answer to all this it all out morgaes are paied cars are paied off and were back to spending money on things we really don't need, Extra cars, toys, motorcycles, and the list goes on and on and the econamy goes up and up because all the bills from middle class people are paied
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==doh ==doh ==no ==doh ==doh
Quote from: Hammerlane on November 20, 2008, 04:07:23 PM
==roll ==roll seems like these guys have been taking buisness advice from Kwalme.. applaudd applaudd
loll loll
Quote from: kymike on November 20, 2008, 04:31:53 AM
before you vote yes there a few facts the auto works union said they wouldnt even cosider a pay cut for workers and most of them make 25 to 35 a hour every one in the airlines have taken pay cuts and they are not asking for a bail out these car companys are poorly run people working at toyoa make as much and they not in this bad of shape the union has to change ive been in toyotas plants and gm and ford there is no comparison the toyota is much more organized and more productive i no guys that work at ford who have there friends clock them in and out and there out playing golf and this happens often this bail out stuff is getting old one of the banks that recieved bail out money used it to buy anotherr bank explain that one
I agree with what you are saying about the organizational skills of these companies. I did student internships, schooling, and worked at GM for about a 1 1/2 years total. There are so many areas of improvement for the consistency and efficiency of all aspects of their production its quite sad.
from what I know i say no. If they don't get the money they will have to make drastic changes and that is whats needed.
and they don't need private jets. security is a BS excuse
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/aut...ets/index.html
QuoteBy Josh Levs
CNN
(CNN) -- Some lawmakers lashed out at the CEOs of the Big Three auto companies Wednesday for flying private jets to Washington to request taxpayer bailout money.
Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli, left, and Ford CEO Alan Mulally testify on Capitol Hill on Wednesday.
"There is a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off of them with tin cups in their hand, saying that they're going to be trimming down and streamlining their businesses," Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-New York, told the chief executive officers of Ford, Chrysler and General Motors at a hearing of the House Financial Services Committee.
"It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high hat and tuxedo. It kind of makes you a little bit suspicious."
He added, "couldn't you all have downgraded to first class or jet-pooled or something to get here? It would have at least sent a message that you do get it."
The executives -- Alan Mulally of Ford, Robert Nardelli of Chrysler and Richard Wagoner of GM -- were seeking support for a $25 billion loan package. Later Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid reversed plans to hold a test vote on the measure.
An aide told CNN that Reid decided to cancel the test vote when it became clear the measure would fall well short of the 60 votes needed. Reid did, however, make a procedural move that could allow a vote on a compromise, which several senators from auto-producing states were feverishly trying to craft.
At Wednesday's hearing, Rep. Brad Sherman, D-California, pressed the private-jet issue, asking the three CEOs to "raise their hand if they flew here commercial."
"Let the record show, no hands went up," Sherman said. "Second, I'm going to ask you to raise your hand if you are planning to sell your jet in place now and fly back commercial. Let the record show, no hands went up."
The executives did not specifically respond to those remarks. In their testimony, they said they are streamlining business operations in general. Watch Nardelli ask for help »
When contacted by CNN, the three auto companies defended the CEOs' travel as standard procedure.
Like many other major corporations, all three have policies requiring their CEOs to travel in private jets for safety reasons.
"Making a big to-do about this when issues vital to the jobs of millions of Americans are being discussed in Washington is diverting attention away from a critical debate that will determine the future health of the auto industry and the American economy," GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson said in a statement.
Chrysler spokeswoman Lori McTavish said in a statement, "while always being mindful of company costs, all business travel requires the highest standard of safety for all employees."
Ford spokeswoman Kelli Felker pointed to the company's travel policy and did not provide a statement elaborating.
"If it is simply the company's money at stake, then only the shareholders can be upset or feel as it might be excessive," said Thomas Schatz, president of the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste.
But in this case, he said, "it's outrageous."
"They're coming to Washington to beg the taxpayers to help them. It's unseemly to be running around on a $20,000 flight versus a $500 round trip," Schatz added. iReport.com: Should the Big Three be bailed out?
The companies did not disclose how much the flights cost.
Analysts contacted by CNN noted that the prices vary with the size of the plane and the crew, and whether the aircraft is leased or owned by the company.
Analyst Richard Aboulafia of the Teal Group said that $20,000 is a legitimate ballpark figure for a round trip corporate jet flight between Detroit, Michigan, and Washington.
When asked whether they plan to change their travel policies as part of the restructuring needed to shore up their finances, none of the companies answered directly. But they said they have cut back on travel in general as revenues have fallen.
This may help you decide..
If the bailout is passed - This is what the unions want to happen, they can then continue on as contracted and we the taxpayer foot the bill..
If the bailout fails - and the big 3 go into chapter 11, ALL contracts are erased.. including the ones with the Unions.. this will allow for a major
reconstruction of the industry.. but the concequences are steep.
Quote from: Hammerlane on November 20, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
Damned if they do - cause the Unions and fatcats won't change, they'll just go whew.. dodged another bullet.. and continue on as if nothings changed.
Damned if they don't - the loss of jobs will be huge... from the actual plants to the suppliers to the restaurants that feed the workers to the gas stations that fuel their cars to etc... etc... etc...
x2 I don't think there really is a right answer someone won't be happy no matter what ==shrug ==shrug
gonna be on tv at 2:30 sounds like something mighta got worked out.. ==dunno
Quote from: XJGirl on November 20, 2008, 02:03:02 AM
Well I REALLY REALLY hope most of YOU drive American made cars/trucks/suv's, if NOT your just as much to blame. JMO
I will ALWAYS buy american.
are you talking about my chevy that is made in Mexico?
Quote from: fukkinrizzo on November 20, 2008, 11:55:44 PM
Quote from: XJGirl on November 20, 2008, 02:03:02 AM
Well I REALLY REALLY hope most of YOU drive American made cars/trucks/suv's, if NOT your just as much to blame. JMO
I will ALWAYS buy american.
are you talking about my chevy that is made in Mexico?
yup and my Ford ==dunno
takin corprate jet to borrow money,
==roll kinda like drivin the cadillac to the welfare office ==roll
Quote from: Bigdaddy on November 21, 2008, 12:17:09 AM
takin corprate jet to borrow money,
==roll kinda like drivin the cadillac to the welfare office ==roll
you laugh... my moms drove her caddy to welfare office... loll
i like what the goverment just said,
Give us a plan before you get the money.
sounds good to me ==np
i think it shouldnt pass....
unions need to go......
they get paid $30+/hr for doin jack p00 while i'm out workin my ass off for $8/hr.... ==kma
Quote from: fukkinrizzo on November 20, 2008, 11:55:44 PM
Quote from: XJGirl on November 20, 2008, 02:03:02 AM
Well I REALLY REALLY hope most of YOU drive American made cars/trucks/suv's, if NOT your just as much to blame. JMO
I will ALWAYS buy american.
are you talking about my chevy that is made in Mexico?
bwahahahahah
I vote NO, I personally think like wall street they put them self in the situation that there in, with the price of gas what is everyone buying for a daily driver? small fuel efficent cars, the majority of those cars are forign cars because forign cars are just that fuel efficent, and anyone who buys a suv or big truck for a daily driver lives five minuets from work or just makes too much money, jmo,and are any of the big three doing enough to produce fuel efficent cars? if they are I havent seen it, GM is hell bent on suv's, ford is trucks and crysler is muscle cars and they dont seem to want to change that, not enough to save there asses anyway, but on another point cars will always be needed and the first one of the big three to come up with somthing affordable and highly fuel efficent will prevail, I do have some faith in ford or gm to do somthing that will bring em out of there self made grave, again jmo.
I drive an olds. ;D
No.
If the union would stop protecting those who drink/drugs/sleep or do nothing on the job from getting fired, who also get paid dream amounts for the rest of us.
I mean if I were to do half the crap I saw at GM when I was a contractor a few months ago I would be fired instantly. They got too many people not doing crap abusing the system. I also met people who would sit at the job bank and answer the phone telling them to "f#!k off" and slamming the phone down because they knew nobody could touch them. They would brag about this to me all while making more money than I can dream of. Just not right.
The union had it's place but now it's gone too far.
Also out of the 11 cars I've owned all have been Ford/Mercury/Chevrolet/GMC
It really isn't a bailout as in free money, it's a low interest loan. There's nothing wrong with that, except if the big 3 can't turn a profit the loan will never be paid off and they will be liquidated. A lot needs to happen with the big three, they need to become profitable, they exist to make a profit, not to provide jobs. That's how a proper capitalistic society works. When big government steps in and spreads money around it's called socialism. Except this time they are socializing the losses and privatizing the gains. The problem lies when socialism turns in to facsisim. Big Government controls how we live, what we're allowed to say in public, and our freedoms are stripped. What needs to happen is stop printing money, our fiat currency system is on the brink of destruction, for every dollar printed, each existing dollar looses value. I say let the markets work. Sometimes it's painful, but it's better than the alternative. Imagine if the horse and buggy companies were bailed out and government suppressed the technology of the gas engine.
Amen applaudd
all 3 will tell you there making money in every other country they have plants in. i think they can use that money for here. ==dunno why not
NO bail out let it all fall. let the fat cats die. kill the union all it protects is the lazy man that wants a pay checks for doing little as possible. Go back too the days where you work or you don't get payed. And I have know problem saying That 1/2 the people there don't work hard at all. They don't even know what hard work is . so putt them on a farm an make them work. They would all probably fall over dead because that's what they are dead weight. I will stop because I'm going too get too worked up. They have made too much money all these years an now they want help. ==blah lets go back to horse an buggy
I say merge them all into 1 company... ==np
it will stop all the whining, bickering and bytchin bout' which is better....
dodgeegal chevgal forddgal
But what to call it??
any ideas??
how bout' "General Forysler Motors"
I heard a great suggestion today on the radio.....have the oil companies bail out the big 3. Which I think theoretically is a great idea but would never want it to happen because it would push us back up to $5 a gallon before we knew what hit us.
Yes we should.
We all are balling out the Banks. They made stupid ass desitons as well and we all have to pay for there stupidity to give loans and money to people that never could affor d the payments.
The US Auto industry built what the people wanted and they all wanted Big trucks and SUVs that got 13 MPG. I dont blam them for what they did i blam the people that wanted the Big Gas Hogs.
Its the biggest F ing joke to bail out one group for making a dumn ass desition and not another. I guess a lot of people ant to give Japan our money instead of the US.
OH yeaand every time some buys a new Car from Toyota, Honda or any other nonUS company the money that is made off that car goes to that country NOT to us here in the US
I forgot to say this. The Unions do need to Fail that is the biggest draw back to the US auto makers. I
i have been working for a top notch gm supplier
for 6 years,we are non-union, we do not get ridiculious
wages.I am a maintenance man and i am just under
$20 an hour and thats with machine tool certifications.
I don't know weather or not a "bailout" is the best
idea or not, maybe chapter 11 resrtucturing would
be best,but we should not let these company just
perish when we are bailing out wall street and all
these lending agencies that keep politicians pockets
lined! I think we should eliminate the ==censor auto
unions that are sucking these companys dry and make
damn sure that those workers still get what thier worth
the unions may have helped our forefathers get fare wages but different times call for different measures
i voted yes for the simple fact of the people that have dedicated there lives to working there and probably wont find a job elsewhere, i do think some changed need to be made, some of the high ups ceos, and such need to take pay cuts,
edit;
Free2blaze - they're all trying to do something to make more mpg machines, i mean look at the chevy aveo,then you got the chevy Hybrid burban, yeah its still a big suv, but still gets better mpg than the other ones, or the "volt" that they're trying to make into something other than a concept car, looks like hell but it sports 40+ mpg ford focus is pretty much a new escort which is once again a mpg getting at 35+ mpg, i just dont see how you can say they're not trying, when they mostly are
Cannaert- "Toyota Motor North America headquarters is located in New York City and operates at a holding company level in North America. Its manufacturing headquarters is located in Hebron, Kentucky, and is known as Toyota Motor Engineering and Manufacturing North America, or TEMA.
Toyota has a large presence in the United States with five major assembly plants in Huntsville, Alabama; Georgetown, Kentucky; Princeton, Indiana; San Antonio, Texas; Buffalo, West Virginia; and a new one being built in Blue Springs, Mississippi. Toyota also has a joint-venture operation with General Motors at New United Motor Manufacturing Inc. (NUMMI), in Fremont, California, which began in 1984, and with Subaru at Subaru of Indiana Automotive, Inc. (SIA), in Lafayette, Indiana, which started in 2006. Production on a new manufacturing plant in Tupelo, Mississippi is scheduled for completion in 2010. North America is a major automobile market for Toyota. In these assembly plants, the Toyota Camry and the 2007 Toyota Tundra are manufactured, among others.
Toyota marketing, sales, and distribution in the U.S. are conducted through a separate subsidiary, Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. Toyota uses a number of slogans in its American TV commercials such as It's time to move forward, Smart way to keep moving forward, or Moving forward. It has started producing larger trucks, such as the new Toyota Tundra, to go after the large truck market in the United States. Toyota is also pushing hybrid vehicles in the US such as the Prius, Toyota Camry Hybrid, Highlander Hybrid, and various Lexus products.
Toyota has sold more hybrid vehicles in the country than any other manufacturer. Toyota is a public corporation and the company's shares are traded on the Tokyo Stock Exchange, New York Stock Exchange and the London Stock Exchange. Toyota also sponsors Chivas de Guadalajara."
so as you can see, they are TRYING to bring jobs over, so i dont think toyota is a good example of the us losing money when they buy one, since they're producing trucks here, which means they are making jobs, which is only trying to help the us ecom