bailout Auto

[XJGirl]

Oh and other thing if we didn't FEED how many other countries just maybe that money could go for what is needed here.

I can't stand the fact that their is people in this country homeless,hungry and jobless and our government sends billions of aid to other countries. WE as the AMERICAN people should be taken care of FIRST and foremost and then whats extra(none..lol) can go to help others.

Sorry a little off topic but it just pisses me off.

[XJGirl]

I never bought new.. alsways used... all i can afford.. so my profits go the the prevous owner lol.

You know what, thats alright, the money is still staying in America, well hopefully...lol

[Ranger Dave]

i have      and     in my driveway    IM all American


WHAT ABOUT YOU  

[XJGirl]

I have a  and then I have a  and I also have a 

ALL AMERICAN!

[kymike]

before you vote yes there a few facts the auto works union said they wouldnt even cosider a pay cut for workers and most of them make 25 to 35 a hour every one in the airlines have taken pay cuts and they are not asking for a bail out these car companys are poorly run people working at toyoa make as much and they not in this bad of shape the union has to change ive been in toyotas plants and gm and ford there is no comparison the toyota is much more organized and more productive i no guys that work at ford who have there friends clock them in and out and there out playing golf and this happens often this bail out stuff is getting old one of the banks that recieved bail out money used it to buy anotherr bank explain that one

[Ranger Dave]

i think they should go in to  bankrupsy  and  restructure,   that  would  not  be  out of  are  paocket  and  no one  would  lose there  jobs.  


but  on the other  hand,  we  need them all  for all the  smaller  shops  all over this  country  and the  military.

[Hammerlane]

Damned if they do - cause the Unions and fatcats won't change, they'll just go whew.. dodged another bullet.. and continue on as if nothings changed.

Damned if they don't - the loss of jobs will be huge... from the actual plants to the suppliers to the restaurants that feed the workers to the gas stations that fuel their cars to etc... etc... etc...

[Bigdaddy]

i say give'um the money, our gov. has no problem givin it to other countrys, to help there causes but wont do a damned thing for our own country,american people losing homes, jobs,
as Hammer says, damned if we do, damned if we dont , i say save our american companys, (with stipulations of course) save american jobs..... & for christ sake, buy american whenever possable, the job you save.... might be your own....

[fukkinrizzo]

from what I know i say no. If they don't get the money they will have to make drastic changes and that is whats needed.

and they don't need private jets. security is a BS excuse


http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/aut...ets/index.html

By Josh Levs
CNN

(CNN) -- Some lawmakers lashed out at the CEOs of the Big Three auto companies Wednesday for flying private jets to Washington to request taxpayer bailout money.


Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli, left, and Ford CEO Alan Mulally testify on Capitol Hill on Wednesday.

"There is a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off of them with tin cups in their hand, saying that they're going to be trimming down and streamlining their businesses," Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-New York, told the chief executive officers of Ford, Chrysler and General Motors at a hearing of the House Financial Services Committee.

"It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high hat and tuxedo. It kind of makes you a little bit suspicious."

He added, "couldn't you all have downgraded to first class or jet-pooled or something to get here? It would have at least sent a message that you do get it."

The executives -- Alan Mulally of Ford, Robert Nardelli of Chrysler and Richard Wagoner of GM -- were seeking support for a $25 billion loan package. Later Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid reversed plans to hold a test vote on the measure.

An aide told CNN that Reid decided to cancel the test vote when it became clear the measure would fall well short of the 60 votes needed. Reid did, however, make a procedural move that could allow a vote on a compromise, which several senators from auto-producing states were feverishly trying to craft.

At Wednesday's hearing, Rep. Brad Sherman, D-California, pressed the private-jet issue, asking the three CEOs to "raise their hand if they flew here commercial."


"Let the record show, no hands went up," Sherman said. "Second, I'm going to ask you to raise your hand if you are planning to sell your jet in place now and fly back commercial. Let the record show, no hands went up."

The executives did not specifically respond to those remarks. In their testimony, they said they are streamlining business operations in general. Watch Nardelli ask for help »

When contacted by CNN, the three auto companies defended the CEOs' travel as standard procedure.

Like many other major corporations, all three have policies requiring their CEOs to travel in private jets for safety reasons.

"Making a big to-do about this when issues vital to the jobs of millions of Americans are being discussed in Washington is diverting attention away from a critical debate that will determine the future health of the auto industry and the American economy," GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson said in a statement.

Chrysler spokeswoman Lori McTavish said in a statement, "while always being mindful of company costs, all business travel requires the highest standard of safety for all employees."

Ford spokeswoman Kelli Felker pointed to the company's travel policy and did not provide a statement elaborating.


"If it is simply the company's money at stake, then only the shareholders can be upset or feel as it might be excessive," said Thomas Schatz, president of the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste.

But in this case, he said, "it's outrageous."

"They're coming to Washington to beg the taxpayers to help them. It's unseemly to be running around on a $20,000 flight versus a $500 round trip," Schatz added. iReport.com: Should the Big Three be bailed out?

The companies did not disclose how much the flights cost.

Analysts contacted by CNN noted that the prices vary with the size of the plane and the crew, and whether the aircraft is leased or owned by the company.


Analyst Richard Aboulafia of the Teal Group said that $20,000 is a legitimate ballpark figure for a round trip corporate jet flight between Detroit, Michigan, and Washington.

When asked whether they plan to change their travel policies as part of the restructuring needed to shore up their finances, none of the companies answered directly. But they said they have cut back on travel in general as revenues have fallen.

[96_Bronco]

lol where do you thing the US is gnna get the money to bail the big 3 out?... the gov. dont have any money left... borrowing everything from china just to keep everything going in iraq. Prolly barrowed the 700 billion or whatever from china to bail out our stock market stuff too.
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ok now not to change subject here but the 700 billion used to bail out the stock market was the answer to all americas problems. they just did it wrong. don't let the money trickle down let it trickle up. it they split that money evenly with every registered voter in america who payes taxes (AKA has a job) we would have got 480,000 a pice I belive thats how the figures worked out. the answer to all this it all out morgaes are paied cars are paied off and were back to spending money on things we really don't need, Extra cars, toys, motorcycles, and the list goes on and on and the econamy goes up and up because all the bills from middle class people are paied

[Hammerlane]

  seems like these guys have been taking buisness advice from Kwalme..   

[Hammerlane]

lol where do you thing the US is gnna get the money to bail the big 3 out?... the gov. dont have any money left... borrowing everything from china just to keep everything going in iraq. Prolly barrowed the 700 billion or whatever from china to bail out our stock market stuff too.

ok now not to change subject here but the 700 billion used to bail out the stock market was the answer to all americas problems. they just did it wrong. don't let the money trickle down let it trickle up. it they split that money evenly with every registered voter in america who payes taxes (AKA has a job) we would have got 480,000 a pice I belive thats how the figures worked out. the answer to all this it all out morgaes are paied cars are paied off and were back to spending money on things we really don't need, Extra cars, toys, motorcycles, and the list goes on and on and the econamy goes up and up because all the bills from middle class people are paied
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[HeatherLuvsMud]

seems like these guys have been taking buisness advice from Kwalme..   

[HeatherLuvsMud]

before you vote yes there a few facts the auto works union said they wouldnt even cosider a pay cut for workers and most of them make 25 to 35 a hour every one in the airlines have taken pay cuts and they are not asking for a bail out these car companys are poorly run people working at toyoa make as much and they not in this bad of shape the union has to change ive been in toyotas plants and gm and ford there is no comparison the toyota is much more organized and more productive i no guys that work at ford who have there friends clock them in and out and there out playing golf and this happens often this bail out stuff is getting old one of the banks that recieved bail out money used it to buy anotherr bank explain that one

I agree with what you are saying about the organizational skills of these companies. I did student internships, schooling, and worked at GM for about a 1 1/2 years total. There are so many areas of improvement for the consistency and efficiency of all aspects of their production its quite sad.

[fukkinrizzo]

from what I know i say no. If they don't get the money they will have to make drastic changes and that is whats needed.

and they don't need private jets. security is a BS excuse


http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/aut...ets/index.html

By Josh Levs
CNN

(CNN) -- Some lawmakers lashed out at the CEOs of the Big Three auto companies Wednesday for flying private jets to Washington to request taxpayer bailout money.


Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli, left, and Ford CEO Alan Mulally testify on Capitol Hill on Wednesday.

"There is a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off of them with tin cups in their hand, saying that they're going to be trimming down and streamlining their businesses," Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-New York, told the chief executive officers of Ford, Chrysler and General Motors at a hearing of the House Financial Services Committee.

"It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high hat and tuxedo. It kind of makes you a little bit suspicious."

He added, "couldn't you all have downgraded to first class or jet-pooled or something to get here? It would have at least sent a message that you do get it."

The executives -- Alan Mulally of Ford, Robert Nardelli of Chrysler and Richard Wagoner of GM -- were seeking support for a $25 billion loan package. Later Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid reversed plans to hold a test vote on the measure.

An aide told CNN that Reid decided to cancel the test vote when it became clear the measure would fall well short of the 60 votes needed. Reid did, however, make a procedural move that could allow a vote on a compromise, which several senators from auto-producing states were feverishly trying to craft.

At Wednesday's hearing, Rep. Brad Sherman, D-California, pressed the private-jet issue, asking the three CEOs to "raise their hand if they flew here commercial."


"Let the record show, no hands went up," Sherman said. "Second, I'm going to ask you to raise your hand if you are planning to sell your jet in place now and fly back commercial. Let the record show, no hands went up."

The executives did not specifically respond to those remarks. In their testimony, they said they are streamlining business operations in general. Watch Nardelli ask for help »

When contacted by CNN, the three auto companies defended the CEOs' travel as standard procedure.

Like many other major corporations, all three have policies requiring their CEOs to travel in private jets for safety reasons.

"Making a big to-do about this when issues vital to the jobs of millions of Americans are being discussed in Washington is diverting attention away from a critical debate that will determine the future health of the auto industry and the American economy," GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson said in a statement.

Chrysler spokeswoman Lori McTavish said in a statement, "while always being mindful of company costs, all business travel requires the highest standard of safety for all employees."

Ford spokeswoman Kelli Felker pointed to the company's travel policy and did not provide a statement elaborating.


"If it is simply the company's money at stake, then only the shareholders can be upset or feel as it might be excessive," said Thomas Schatz, president of the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste.

But in this case, he said, "it's outrageous."

"They're coming to Washington to beg the taxpayers to help them. It's unseemly to be running around on a $20,000 flight versus a $500 round trip," Schatz added. iReport.com: Should the Big Three be bailed out?

The companies did not disclose how much the flights cost.

Analysts contacted by CNN noted that the prices vary with the size of the plane and the crew, and whether the aircraft is leased or owned by the company.


Analyst Richard Aboulafia of the Teal Group said that $20,000 is a legitimate ballpark figure for a round trip corporate jet flight between Detroit, Michigan, and Washington.

When asked whether they plan to change their travel policies as part of the restructuring needed to shore up their finances, none of the companies answered directly. But they said they have cut back on travel in general as revenues have fallen.

[Hammerlane]

This may help you decide..

If the bailout is passed - This is what the unions want to happen, they can then continue on as contracted and we the taxpayer foot the bill..

If the bailout fails - and the big 3 go into chapter 11, ALL contracts are erased.. including the ones with the Unions.. this will allow for a major
reconstruction of the industry.. but the concequences are steep.

[Mudbuster]

Damned if they do - cause the Unions and fatcats won't change, they'll just go whew.. dodged another bullet.. and continue on as if nothings changed.

Damned if they don't - the loss of jobs will be huge... from the actual plants to the suppliers to the restaurants that feed the workers to the gas stations that fuel their cars to etc... etc... etc...

x2 I don't think there really is a right answer someone won't be happy no matter what

[Bigdaddy]

gonna be on tv at 2:30   sounds like something mighta got worked out..

[fukkinrizzo]

Well I REALLY REALLY hope most of YOU drive American made cars/trucks/suv's, if NOT your just as much to blame. JMO


I will ALWAYS buy american.

are you talking about my chevy that is made in Mexico?

[Ranger Dave]

Well I REALLY REALLY hope most of YOU drive American made cars/trucks/suv's, if NOT your just as much to blame. JMO


I will ALWAYS buy american.

are you talking about my chevy that is made in Mexico?

yup  and  my  Ford