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Projects & Parts => Garage/Tech => Topic started by: Kyle on April 14, 2011, 03:36:04 PM

Title: high compression starters
Post by: Kyle on April 14, 2011, 03:36:04 PM
my 79 400 sbc is gonna be runnin 10.5-11:1 compression ratio. is there a cheap starter that could turn that over easily? maybe one from a deisel motor cuz they have higher CR? what does everybody else use for higher compression?
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: Mudbuster on April 14, 2011, 03:54:12 PM
a stock starter will work fine that's not really that high. ==2cents
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: bigmud44 on April 14, 2011, 03:57:46 PM
lots of people use mini off later gm. allstar makes mini good up 18-1 comp for little over$100
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: MR NASTY on April 14, 2011, 04:05:35 PM
Summit 140. The 400s are know to snap the nose cones off at that compression. Try to fing one that doesn't have the aluminum nose cone that may help.
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: Bowtie972 on April 14, 2011, 04:29:49 PM
Quote from: bigmud44 on April 14, 2011, 03:57:46 PM
lots of people use mini off later gm. allstar makes mini good up 18-1 comp for little over$100

x2   these work great
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: Kyle on April 14, 2011, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: Bowtie972 on April 14, 2011, 04:29:49 PM
Quote from: bigmud44 on April 14, 2011, 03:57:46 PM
lots of people use mini off later gm. allstar makes mini good up 18-1 comp for little over$100

x2   these work great

dont the later gm starters bolt up differently than the older ones? its a 79 block
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: betterbeaters on April 14, 2011, 04:57:30 PM
stock starter... I had a stock starter on my 383 for almost a year!  and we were over 11to 1
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: Chevy Racer on April 14, 2011, 08:46:41 PM
I just said screw it all and bought the gear reduction.  No more mud in the starter issues.  Had it on 3 motors now SBC and BBC without issue
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: OLD SCHOOL on April 14, 2011, 10:29:35 PM
i have a stock starter on my 406 13.5 to 1 compression , 7 years & 2 motors on it  ==np
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: RIP_K52007 on April 15, 2011, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: 355REDNECK on April 14, 2011, 11:55:20 PM
Quote from: Chevy Racer on April 14, 2011, 08:46:41 PM
I just said screw it all and bought the gear reduction.  No more mud in the starter issues.  Had it on 3 motors now SBC and BBC without issue
so u dnt run a starter
nope he just wraps a rope around the balancer and hooks the other end to the back of his tow rig n takes off.
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: Kyle on April 15, 2011, 07:00:18 AM
so does that mean i can use the starter from my 92 chevy 350 on it? itll all bolt up and i wont have an issue with the teeth on the flywheel??
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: MR NASTY on April 15, 2011, 12:01:44 PM
I believe certain years have different pitch not sure tho.
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: Eroq on April 15, 2011, 12:40:39 PM
Some had different flywheels... 153tooth and 168   168was the most common.. most automatics and some manuals...  i believe the 153tooth was for some of the smaller manual trannies ???  not 100% on there

You'll see the difference.. the less # of teeth the larger they are..... most starters should be close to the same up til around 2000    not sure after that ???   after 96 or so they ran the mini starters... same torque.. just 8lbs not 18lbs  

Buy a gear reduction....  summits pretty cheap... or get an autozone 18pounder and GET A STARTER BRACE!!!!

searched starter brace and this was the first link that came up....

http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138323 (http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138323)

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-354353/ (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-354353/)  $10 on summit for a starter brace... i've seen them as cheap as $5 places.. but not usually in stock from what i've seen
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: Kyle on April 15, 2011, 03:20:44 PM
Quote from: Eroq on April 15, 2011, 12:40:39 PM
searched starter brace and this was the first link that came up....

http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138323 (http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138323)

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-354353/ (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-354353/)  $10 on summit for a starter brace... i've seen them as cheap as $5 places.. but not usually in stock from what i've seen

that first link tells how to figure out if its a 153 or a 168 tooth, so thats reall good to know!
and i will def pick up a starter brace too thank you for the link!

and is the gear reduction somethin thats just bolted on/in to it pretty easy?
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: MR NASTY on April 15, 2011, 04:21:19 PM
Gear reduction refers to the way it transfers the power. Usese gears much like a transfer case does. You have to buy a gear reduction starter you can't add it to yours. Imo I would just get one and be done. They are sealed units so you don't have to worry about filing them with mud. Take far less battery to operate with is good even if your battery is pretty low it will start your truck.
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: OLD SCHOOL on April 15, 2011, 04:28:50 PM
put a stock starter on it , you will be fine.  lot cheaper , less hassle
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: MR NASTY on April 15, 2011, 04:33:30 PM
Obviously the stock one wasn't less hassle if he's been threw two. 
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: MR NASTY on April 15, 2011, 04:43:29 PM
I've used to. They either snap the nose cone off or roll the bushing out the end of the starter.
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: OLD SCHOOL on April 15, 2011, 04:52:46 PM
its been on 2 motors ,      not 2 starters    whyy
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: solid 12 on April 15, 2011, 05:29:44 PM
I use the stock mini starter off of my 98 k1500 on my 12.5-1 406 and never have had a problem..
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: RIP_K52007 on April 16, 2011, 12:57:05 PM
I use squirrel treats to get my rig rollin.
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: Squirell on April 16, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: MR NASTY on April 15, 2011, 12:01:44 PM
I believe certain years have different pitch not sure tho.
anything newer than 91 has a different pitch you wont notice it at first but after starting it a dozen times or so it will destroy your flywheel.
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: Kyle on April 16, 2011, 01:56:14 PM
Quote from: Squirell on April 16, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: MR NASTY on April 15, 2011, 12:01:44 PM
I believe certain years have different pitch not sure tho.
anything newer than 91 has a different pitch you wont notice it at first but after starting it a dozen times or so it will destroy your flywheel.

i guess i better get a year correct one just to be on the safe side then...
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: fuzzy on April 16, 2011, 02:54:07 PM
Twisted too and bad company have stock starters on them
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: betterbeaters on April 16, 2011, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Squirell on April 16, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: MR NASTY on April 15, 2011, 12:01:44 PM
I believe certain years have different pitch not sure tho.
anything newer than 91 has a different pitch you wont notice it at first but after starting it a dozen times or so it will destroy your flywheel.

used a newer starter (95ish) on my old 383 for 2 years with no issuse
Title: Re: high compression starters
Post by: Squirell on April 16, 2011, 04:38:14 PM
Quote from: marshall on April 16, 2011, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: BlackBetty on April 14, 2011, 10:29:35 PM
i have a stock starter on my 406 13.5 to 1 compression , 7 years & 2 motors on it  ==np
they must not believe you?
Is it really worth arguing over ==otd