this up coming year i plan on running rockwells but have been told gmcs are better becuz you can make a better d shaft angle out of them. but i have also read that toploaders being that the pinion is higher also makes d shafts straighter making better angles. also rocks are easy hell to find parts for and gmcs being people can get them so cheap parts are sometime hard to come by. ive also heard ya have to have at least 12 inches of lift and have to run 44 inch or bigger tires. well my engine is actually moved back a pretty good amount i know at least like 4 inches but can get some pics for a better view of it but id prolly still wanna go with 12 inches of lift to run 44s. was also told ladder bars are a must for trucks with rocks. as of now i have a 327 350th and 203 tcase but ill prolly swap the 203 for a 208 maybe even a divorced tcase ??? and the 327 prolly will get swapped with a 350. but i really dont know alot about rocks and cant seem to find much on rocks so someone gimme some info
go with 208 for the gearing
with 44s all you need is 1 tons if your going to use rocks or gmc go bigger tires...
Imo they are gonna be way to heavy. A 14 bolt and a 60 up front will handle the 44's with no problems. Tractor tires are another story
undecided on wat type of tires im going to use i just know you have to have a 44 or bigger
with they gmc 2.5 tons they have 6.17 gears and would work better with 44s but would work great with 57s. but thats me!
GMC vs Rockwell.... Rockwell hands down, every time! Parts are easier to come by, tons of aftermarket components for them, and the shaft angles ROCK! GMC angles actually suck, they're no different from any other face-load axle. But, this is just my opinion... all be it, a great one! lol ++peace
Dana 60, Detroit locker, 6.17 gears, and 44's....I'll take a set of stock rockwells any day.
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2.5 ton front shaft....
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Quote from: TopFist on August 23, 2011, 11:56:15 PM
Dana 60, Detroit locker, 6.17 gears, and 44's....I'll take a set of stock rockwells any day.
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x2... ive seen a bronco at perkins runnin 40s with rocks
ROCKS !!!!!! i broke my 60's all the time . put alot of $ into them and broke 2 front housings i had 44 boggers on and my truck was problly heavier then yours. if you want to you can help me with mine i got to do some work to mine in a couple weeks.
Quote from: 'the DON' on August 24, 2011, 12:14:12 AM
ROCKS !!!!!! i broke my 60's all the time . put alot of $ into them and broke 2 front housings i had 44 boggers on and my truck was problly heavier then yours. if you want to you can help me with mine i got to do some work to mine in a couple weeks.
ill help ya be easier for me to learn from experience
ive also seen a ton of people use 44s with rocks i can get rocks for around 1200 bucks so why buy a 60??
Rocks! The Gearing Is Better And The Driveshaft Angles Are Better And Like Mudhunter Said Parts Are So Easy To Get!
axles shafts are cheaper 45$ for a rear about 140$ aside for the front with both inner , outer and ujoint
I say 1 tons for 44 look at twisted and racing jason and all them comp guys over 1000 hp and super cut 44s and they hold up most of the time...
none of them run rocks... must be they can go faster on 1 tons!
Quote from: betterbeaters on August 24, 2011, 07:19:54 PM
I say 1 tons for 44 look at twisted and racing jason and all them comp guys over 1000 hp and super cut 44s and they hold up most of the time...
none of them run rocks... must be they can go faster on 1 tons!
them comp trucks weigh prolly 1/2 of what the big trucks that are running rocks. thats like comparing apples to oranges
I bet them comp trucks weigh about as much as mine mabye a little less. and even if they weigh less they still have 500 hp on most of the guys out there...
Ok then there's orange crush. Full size 44s and bbc. Chances are if your breaking 60 parts its because all your doing is bogging it and no maintenance.
Quote from: MR NASTY on August 24, 2011, 07:29:48 PM
Ok then there's orange crush. Full size 44s and bbc. Chances are if your breaking 60 parts its because all your doing is bogging it and no maintenance.
x2 I have seen rocks break with 44s more than once so how are they better?
And also the last place you want to add weight is to the front of your rig.
ill agree to disagree. :)
Alot of factors to consider here? Rocks are stronger hands down then 1 tons, and anyone who says not doesnt know what they are talkin about. Anything will break if your not smart about it. That being said, there are differing types of toploaders and gmc's. As a rule of thumb, the newer the better. The toploaders have three main types, ball and claw, rezeppa, and u joint. not only the front shafts are different, but the rear shaft strenght and carrier strength. Gm's have different splining, depending on the year of the axle. Rocks and gm's can both be run dependibly with a mild motor and weight combo up to about a 54" tire without many problems, if you get the newer stuff. Steel quality is just better the newer you get. 2.5 ton in gm or rock is stronger in alot of other ways also, the knucles, housing and carrier are all way stronger. I say go rocks because of part availability and driveline angle issues. Only downside is the clearance needed for the front chunk.
mr nasty is wrong . i broke 2 housings how do you maintain them is there a grease zert for that ? and those guys dont run their trucks like ohearn will. how many times do you see them at a backyard boggs or the mounds or pulling out their friends?aside from oc i dont . rocks are cheaper and stronger. 44 or bigger go with rocks the guys that say dont do it dont run their trucks like you will ohearn.
I'm not telling him what to run I said imo rocks would be over kill and unnecessary weight to run a 44 inch tire. I ran a 60 in my truck with 44's for a whole year with a strong motor and never had a issue. And the reason I bring up maintenance is the guy I bought it from couldn't keep a shaft in it so I tore it down to find half the seals missing along with the inner spindle bearings. And I would bet broken housing equal abuse issues either from you or the previous owner. I'm not dumb and obviously rocks are not even in the same league as a 60 when it comes to strength. Just depends wether you want to go through the mud or over it because short of king of sling I've yet to see one of those heavy trucks do it.
Quote from: 'the DON' on August 24, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
44 or bigger go with rocks the guys that say dont do it dont run their trucks like you will ohearn.
I bet I run my truck like him or harder....
olny time his truck got ran hard was when i drove loll
lol... i think i was there .
Quote from: rangerwheelinmike on August 24, 2011, 11:37:29 PM
olny time his truck got ran hard was when i drove loll
how much for a 60 and 14 bolt and then gears then you have to go through them . the rocks repack the bearings put them in . jmo . mr. nasty " abuse" i do abuse it thats what i built it for and it didnt hold up but i know my truck is pretty heavy . i made it big because i cant afford to make it fast .i just think it will be cheaper for him in the long run
I hear ya. I've seen you unit and definitely appreciate your guys big trucks. Many times I've seen you and herb go the extra mile to get people unstuck. At the end of the day its all about the budget. Wish I had half the money me and my brother have put in to start from scratch. Just one other thing for him to consider though. The bigger the unit the bigger the trailer and tow rig your gonna need.
Honorable mention to mud king and goliath too on the recovery end of things. Didn't want to leave you guys out!
oh yeah i realized that after i did it . after it was done i loaded it up on my trailer and the trailer was on the ground lol... needed no ramps. so new trailer then a diesel dually to pull the damn thing . should have stuck with geo tracker .
and ryan "mudman" and andrew
Quote from: MR NASTY on August 25, 2011, 12:29:44 AM
Honorable mention to mud king and goliath too on the recovery end of things. Didn't want to leave you guys out!
i got hookups on towing uncle owns a 27ft gooseneck gpa has a dually and if i wanted to go the extra milei could get a semi
Quote from: MR NASTY on August 25, 2011, 12:26:19 AM
I hear ya. I've seen you unit and definitely appreciate your guys big trucks. Many times I've seen you and herb go the extra mile to get people unstuck. At the end of the day its all about the budget. Wish I had half the money me and my brother have put in to start from scratch. Just one other thing for him to consider though. The bigger the unit the bigger the trailer and tow rig your gonna need.
You said unit...
i think he meant "run it" ??
Quote from: OHEARN.2012 on August 25, 2011, 12:55:03 AM
i think he meant "run it" ??
"The Bigger The Unit" the bigger the trailer....And YES I was making a penis joke. :)
Lol. And I meant to say your unit, with out the penis reference lol.
Quote from: TopFist on August 25, 2011, 01:06:20 AM
Quote from: OHEARN.2012 on August 25, 2011, 12:55:03 AM
i think he meant "run it" ??
"The Bigger The Unit" the bigger the trailer....And YES I was making a penis joke. :)
LMFAO
LOL I BUILT MY TRUCK FOR THE MOUNDS JUST LIKE DONNIE AND MUDMAN GIVE US A HOLE AND WE WILL PLAY IN IT SWAMPS AND CLAY PITS WE LIKE ALL KINDS OF MUD APPLES FOR APPLES ROCKWELLS ARE THE WAY TO GO AND MY TOW RIG IS A SHORT BUS AND THAT WAS ON A BUDGET! TOTAL INVESTMENT $5,000 FOR IT ALL HAVING FUN SINCE 2004 THATS HOW I ROLL BITCHES
Completley agree with the tow rig aspect end of it. I also likw rocks because of the upgrade end of things. I had 60 front 14 rear and had 4340 shafts all around and there superjoints into my one tons and finally got to the point where i was stripping a ring gear in the front everyweekend. Tried all types of gears and just was to much for the axle. Like the fact that i went to rocks and ran a 8 inch taller with 5 times the tread and pulled on dozers and rigs and never broke anything!
After going through what i went through, i would say dont go down the road of putting a crap load of aftermarket stuff into axles, just go find something that will hold up the way it is.
Quote from: Rollover Herb on August 25, 2011, 03:00:34 AM
LOL I BUILT MY TRUCK FOR THE MOUNDS JUST LIKE DONNIE AND MUDMAN GIVE US A HOLE AND WE WILL PLAY IN IT SWAMPS AND CLAY PITS WE LIKE ALL KINDS OF MUD APPLES FOR APPLES ROCKWELLS ARE THE WAY TO GO AND MY TOW RIG IS A SHORT BUS AND THAT WAS ON A BUDGET! TOTAL INVESTMENT $5,000 FOR IT ALL HAVING FUN SINCE 2004 THATS HOW I ROLL BITCHES
you towed with a regular pickup before right?
yes we all did half ton trucks
yea all im looking to do with it is backyard bogs and locals nuin far away just take it slow and dont be a dumbass
stay clear of dot
Quote from: OHEARN.2012 on August 26, 2011, 01:12:50 AM
yea all im looking to do with it is backyard bogs and locals nuin far away just take it slow and dont be a dumbass
yea ive been told that but i plan on upgrading to a 3/4 ton drivetrain
well i wish you good luck on what ever you build . if i can help just get ahold of me ill do what i can .
right now still getting them but cant decided wat kind of engine to build i want a 427 becuz i know andys runs awsome or a 454 i dunno??
he also has my f350 to haul it with,
im starting to think about goin to rocks too but doin 4wheel steer and i would be running tractors not 44
hiw hard would it be to do 4 wheel steer??
Quote from: redneck ohearn on August 26, 2011, 01:54:14 AM
he also has my f350 to haul it with,
im starting to think about goin to rocks too but doin 4wheel steer and i would be running tractors not 44
hiw hard would it be to do 4 wheel steer??
ask Andy Michalik. he has it on his monster truck
Quote from: OHEARN.2012 on August 26, 2011, 01:10:29 AM
Quote from: Rollover Herb on August 25, 2011, 03:00:34 AM
LOL I BUILT MY TRUCK FOR THE MOUNDS JUST LIKE DONNIE AND MUDMAN GIVE US A HOLE AND WE WILL PLAY IN IT SWAMPS AND CLAY PITS WE LIKE ALL KINDS OF MUD APPLES FOR APPLES ROCKWELLS ARE THE WAY TO GO AND MY TOW RIG IS A SHORT BUS AND THAT WAS ON A BUDGET! TOTAL INVESTMENT $5,000 FOR IT ALL HAVING FUN SINCE 2004 THATS HOW I ROLL BITCHES
you towed with a regular pickup before right?
STII DO GOT 2 TRUCKS
This is a good debate i say if u plann on going big big then get it over with and go with the rocks. I have no plans on going bigger than 44s. But i think alot has to do with driving style. If your wide open and smash into a knowingly deep rough hole obviously its hard on p00. So far i have gone 2 years on my 1 tons and havent broken anything(knock on wood). So i say look at what u plan on doing with your rig in the future
I planned on running 1 tons and 44,s on the buick. My buddy told me if your gonna do it go with rocks. It's cheaper in the long run. Glad I listened. I don't run my 44's very often, but it is a blast. Now all I need is to get my bbc done so I can turn the 18.4-26's like the 44's and I'll be set.
yea im going to be running 16.9 24s
i seen mudman and herb broke their rockwell i have learned alot from most guys that run rockwell and i was lucky to get a deal and went straight to 5 ton rock well and now been slowly trying to finish it i cant wait to join those big dogs... and of course i m in the same boat w the others i m gonna need a bigger tow rig n trailer soon
well all my friends are saying there getting big old disel chevy dodge and fords welpive decided why spend 6-7 grand on one to get a nice one when i can get a semi and get a cdl
Quote from: OHEARN.2012 on September 13, 2011, 02:24:30 PM
well all my friends are saying there getting big old disel chevy dodge and fords welpive decided why spend 6-7 grand on one to get a nice one when i can get a semi and get a cdl
smaller the vehicle, the lowerr the maintience costs are...
truck and trailers gunna cost you 5 to 7 thousand either way you look at it lol
decent diesel in good shape and condition going to cost me 5000 plus wat trailer would cost and with truck and trailer i can contract my self out during harvesting season and haul crops plus id get my cdl and go into trucking
Quote from: OHEARN.2012 on September 14, 2011, 02:24:02 AM
decent diesel in good shape and condition going to cost me 5000 plus wat trailer would cost and with truck and trailer i can contract my self out during harvesting season and haul crops plus id get my cdl and go into trucking
I dont know about the boggs you go to but most I hit out dont have room for a semi or trailer that size..... I think you would be best off buying a good 3/4 ton (gas or diesel) and a good trailer and call it a day...if you were pulling 2-3 trucks get a semi.. but 1 truck dont need that big of a rig..
After riding in the one and only, I deff need me a set of rocks. But I think I will miss being able to drive it on the street too. Nice to have a rig I can literally take anywhere. Well almost anywhere. loll ++peace
Quote from: Blazin40s on September 14, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
After riding in the one and only, I deff need me a set of rocks. But I think I will miss being able to drive it on the street too. Nice to have a rig I can literally take anywhere. Well almost anywhere. loll ++peace
if you go rocks feel free to drop the 1 tons off at my house!!
They can go to your house for the low price of 1000 bux lol
it all about how you set the hole truck up i had a cj7 44 front&14 rear 500 ish hp 3 year on front axle with 40 boggers now i have cj7 with rocks &tractors tires it weighs less than old cj with shaving all weight i could
would a stock 454 350th and 208 hold up pretty good?
Quote from: OHEARN.2012 on September 20, 2011, 02:07:16 AM
would a stock 454 350th and 208 hold up pretty good?
Should.
Quote from: betterbeaters on August 24, 2011, 07:19:54 PM
I say 1 tons for 44 look at twisted and racing jason and all them comp guys over 1000 hp and super cut 44s and they hold up most of the time...
none of them run rocks... must be they can go faster on 1 tons!
ya these trucks run straight through slop not cross ruts at a backyard bog. and ohearn your right why buy corp axles when you can get rocks that cheap. sounds like no brainer. and if the DON is willing to show you anything about them take him up on it.