michigan lift law

[mudbillyredneck]

Cant you just pay for a commercial plate and say it is purpouse built .......then your exempt from the lift laws all together....

I know comercial plates are expensive...but seams worth it to be able to drive around in any town worrie free of the hassle


Or


Put a crap ton of extras and add some friends , go get it weighed and try to get a 10,000 lb plate for it...then the lift hight isnt relevant at all I thought



I've been ticketed a few times in the past....I just pay ticket and carry on with my life........although now I here the ticket isnt waivable and 3 times and they yank your registration, so you cannot plate it ........

[44mudder]

u should be fine, my  auto teacher has a 99 dodge on 40s  tht he daily  drive from goodrich to flint, and they never give him problems  so ull be good 

[Eroq]

Put a crap ton of extras and add some friends , go get it weighed and try to get a 10,000 lb plate for it...then the lift hight isnt relevant at all I thought

nope, if your vehicle came FROM THE FACTORY  with a weight over 10,000lb you are exempt   (within reason of course!)

[old school truck dude]

Lift laws suck!!!

[mudbillyredneck]

Put a crap ton of extras and add some friends , go get it weighed and try to get a 10,000 lb plate for it...then the lift hight isnt relevant at all I thought

good to know...I hate to pass on Bogus information on what Ive heard around the water cooler
nope, if your vehicle came FROM THE FACTORY  with a weight over 10,000lb you are exempt   (within reason of course!)

[blazentrout]

ok thank you i have been to thy secretary of state site and can"t find the weight category i was able to find every thing else i need to find out how much this beast weighs

inside of the drivers door...    no way its rated over 8600.... my ol 94 f250 was 8600lb      your probably around 6000 or so

That truck started life as a f350 crew cab short box, then went to centurian conversions of white pigion mi to get the back half of a bronco grafted on. So with that said i can see it having a gvwr of 9,990 very easly.

[blazentrout]

Put a crap ton of extras and add some friends , go get it weighed and try to get a 10,000 lb plate for it...then the lift hight isnt relevant at all I thought

nope, if your vehicle came FROM THE FACTORY  with a weight over 10,000lb you are exempt   (within reason of course!)

That is slightly incorect its a GVWR of 10,001 and up that are exempt. my dually is a gvwr of 11,500 and is exempt- but the truck it self wieghs just under 8k.

[Eroq]

Put a crap ton of extras and add some friends , go get it weighed and try to get a 10,000 lb plate for it...then the lift hight isnt relevant at all I thought

nope, if your vehicle came FROM THE FACTORY  with a weight over 10,000lb you are exempt   (within reason of course!)

That is slightly incorect its a GVWR of 10,001 and up that are exempt. my dually is a gvwr of 11,500 and is exempt- but the truck it self wieghs just under 8k.

sorry, 10,001      within reason meaning... you cant do 30" of lift and be on 53" DOT approved tires running down the road.  Just plain unsafe! imagine if y ou were to rear end someone    you'd go right over them...

[blazentrout]

Whats un safe  about it? its no worse than driving a smart car

[chappy]

The 1987 design was more streamlined, and maintenance items were made simpler. Rear antilock brakes were now standard, the first truck to boast this. The five speed Mazda M5OD manual transmission was added to the lineup in 1988, while still retaining the heavier built New Process NP435 four speed manual transmission. Also for 1988, the flareside box was dropped. For 1987 the 4.9 L (300 CID) had standard fuel injection; for 1988, the 351 CID (5.8 L) and 7.5 L (460 CID) also gained fuel injection, with 1988 being the first year no carbureted engines were offered. 1988 also saw the replacement of the 6.9 L (420 CID) diesel V8 with a 7.3 L (444 CID) International Harvester IDI diesel V8 (now making 180 hp (130 kW). and 365 ft·lbf (495 N·m). of torque).

Four wheel drive improvements included the addition of automatic locking hubs for the F-150 in 1989, and for the rest in 1991. Starting in 1980 (to 1996), Ford offered a four-wheel-drive swing arm independent front suspension called Twin Traction Beam, or TTB. Based on its I-beam suspension from the mid '60s, Ford mounted a Dana 44 differential in the driver-side (front) axle beam and transmitted torque to the passenger-side wheel with a double U-jointed axleshaft. Radius arms and coil springs were still used on the F-150's, while the four-wheel-drive F-250s and F-350s got leaf springs. The F-250s received TTB Dana 50 axles and the F-350s got a solid axle Dana 60. The 5.0 L (302 CID) truck also had an optional "Touch Drive" electronic transfer case. Custom, XL, XLT, and XLT Lariat were the trim options available. Towards the end of this generation, there was the addition of the behind cab cargo light.

For 1991, a new "Nite" trim package was introduced. It included all blacked-out exterior trim and either a pink or blue/purple stripe and "Nite" decal on the sides of the cargo box. Some sources report that a sport suspension was included, although this is not certain.

The "F-Super Duty" (as the fender emblems stated) models appeared from 1987 to 1997. They were basically F-450s built as an "incomplete vehicle" (chassis cab) due to the fact that there was no bed installed and an aftermarket bed (specific to its future use) was added after the truck's initial build date. It came with dual fuel tanks with a dash-mounted toggle switch to switch between each tank while using only the one fuel gauge. It came with a PTO (Power Take-Off) used to power attachments (like winches or a dump bed) from the transmission. They were rated at about 15,000 lb (6,800 kg) GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating). They came with either the standard 7.5 L (460 CID) gas V8 or the optional 7.3 L (444 CID) diesel V8. All wheels were 10-lug with DRW (Dual Rear Wheels). This model should not be confused with the "Super Duty" commercial line of trucks starting with the 1999 model year.

The models are:

F-150: 1/2 ton (6,250 lb GVWR max)
F-250: 3/4 ton (8,800 lb GVWR max)
F-350: 1 ton (11,000 lb GVWR max)
F-Super Duty: 1 ton plus (15,000 lb GVWR max)


"HIGH RISE" VEHICLE LAW
Effective March 30, 1992
MCL 257.710c
Motor vehicles fall into one of two categories:
All vehicles must comply with both measurements!
PASSENGER VEHICLES:
Frame Height Bumper Height
12 inches 22 inches
A "passenger vehicle" includes all motor vehicles designed to carry 10 passengers or less, and vans that have a
GVWR of 5000 lbs. or less (most "mini-vans"), except a truck, motorcycle, or multipurpose passenger vehicle.
OTHER VEHICLES: Frame Height Bumper Height
Less than 4,501 pounds GVWR: 24 inches 26 inches
4,501 to 7,500 pounds GVWR: 24 inches 28 inches
7,501 to 10,000 pounds GVWR: 26 inches 30 inches
"Other vehicles" include pickup trucks, full size vans, and "multipurpose passenger vehicles", such as a Blazer, Bronco,
Jeep, etc., or other motor vehicles having a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or less.
ITEMS TO NOTE:
A bumper is now required on both the front and the rear of all passenger cars, pickup trucks, and multipurpose
passenger vehicles.
Frame height is measured to the bottom of the frame at a point midway between the front and rear axles. "Midway"
means the halfway point. This may or may not be the lowest part of the frame. See diagram, measurement "A".
Tires must be inflated to the manufacturer's recommended pressure.
Bumper height is measured at the highest point of the bottom of the bumper. See diagram, measurement "B".
If the bottom of the bumper cannot be identified due to vehicle design, measure from the bottom of the forwardmost or
rearmost portion of the bumper.
If a vehicle has an unaltered bumper that is in compliance with this section, it generally should not be necessary to
crawl under the vehicle to measure the frame height.
The methods in which a vehicle can have a raised or altered suspension is now strictly regulated. All components
must be factory manufactured, and must meet or exceed original manufacturer's specifications. A frame cannot be
added to or altered. All lift blocks must be of single piece construction, and cannot exceed 4 inches in height between
the rear axle and springs, or 3 inches between the body and frame. Refer to section 257.710c(4) of the Michigan
Vehicle Code for a complete list.
Section 257.714a of the Michigan Vehicle Code requires "commercial vehicles", which include pickup trucks, to have
MUDFLAPS unless the vehicle is constructed so as to prevent water and other road surface substances from being
thrown to the rear. Refer to the statute for specific information and exceptions.

[chappy]

As far as I can tell you are in the over 10,001 gvwr if its a f350 so you are good to go. Best thing to do is what I do. Google Mi high rise vehcl law and print out the pdf and carry it with you. I have beebn pulled over many times and there are many uninformed law enforcement out there . I have yet to find one that actually knew the law. They usually ask me because they don't know and have to call dispatch to try and find out and they still get it wrong. Carry that with you and they can't argue. Mi calls it a high rise vehicle law,Not lift law so that is important. And it is no longer a fix it ticket,just a fine but If you look at the info I provided you are legal. The gvwr should be on your title as well so you know for sure. Even if you are in the 8800-10,000 gvwr range,You can be 26in on the frame and 30in on the bottom of the bumpers. To measure the frame, take a tape measure and measure from center of front wheel to center of rear wheel. Find the exact center of that and then go to the frame in that spot. Measure from the ground to that spot on the bottom of the frame and that is your measurement. It does not matter if it is the highest point on the frame or lowest or if its on a angle.Just that its the center point of your wheel base. Can you tell I have been threw this and fought city hall more then once. My super duty is on 7inches and 36's and is 2 inches under the law at a 8,800 gvwr. My buddys superduty is on 8inches and 28's on 20's and he is 2inches over in the rear because he is not level like I am. Cops have yet to pull him over in 2 years. They did get him for tint on the windows though.

[danwheeler660]

awsome thank you

As far as I can tell you are in the over 10,001 gvwr if its a f350 so you are good to go. Best thing to do is what I do. Google Mi high rise vehcl law and print out the pdf and carry it with you. I have beebn pulled over many times and there are many uninformed law enforcement out there . I have yet to find one that actually knew the law. They usually ask me because they don't know and have to call dispatch to try and find out and they still get it wrong. Carry that with you and they can't argue. Mi calls it a high rise vehicle law,Not lift law so that is important. And it is no longer a fix it ticket,just a fine but If you look at the info I provided you are legal. The gvwr should be on your title as well so you know for sure. Even if you are in the 8800-10,000 gvwr range,You can be 26in on the frame and 30in on the bottom of the bumpers. To measure the frame, take a tape measure and measure from center of front wheel to center of rear wheel. Find the exact center of that and then go to the frame in that spot. Measure from the ground to that spot on the bottom of the frame and that is your measurement. It does not matter if it is the highest point on the frame or lowest or if its on a angle.Just that its the center point of your wheel base. Can you tell I have been threw this and fought city hall more then once. My super duty is on 7inches and 36's and is 2 inches under the law at a 8,800 gvwr. My buddys superduty is on 8inches and 28's on 20's and he is 2inches over in the rear because he is not level like I am. Cops have yet to pull him over in 2 years. They did get him for tint on the windows though.

[danwheeler660]

i got my Bronco on the scale today at the scrap yard and it only weighs 6820LBs