Open Carry- How to Remain Silent when Questioned by the Police (Video)

[RIP_K52007]

[damn_ford]

stoopid. i open carry daily. everywhere i go. when im not wearing a coat, these asshats that think they are making a statement by
provoking confrontations with the cops are going to get open carry restricted to cpl holders if at all.

lucky for him the cop was up on the law enough to not fall for it

[RIP_K52007]

I dont think this was "stoopid" the goal of his video was to spread the word that open carry IS legal and you are NOT required to have a reason.

While most would not choose to not speak, he had every legal right not too. I applaud him and the cop for understanding whats legal.

If this guy was walking down the street in my township and did this he would be in jail simply because our cops dont know whats legal and whats not.

[damn_ford]

this is something i feel strongly about.

talk to the cop. how do you know there not looking for someone
dressed the same for a shooting around the corner? good way
to get arrested is all it was and possibly ruffed up on top of it

take the oportunity to do good pr for the open carry comunity.
cops need to be on our side to further the 2a cause. with jackholes like this
its leaves a bad taste in officers mouths towards oc ers in general.
the statement the guy thinks hes making is voided by the fact that
he snubbed the cop. nothing was accomplished other than stroking the
vid makers ego. if your going to make a statement at least represent
yourself in a way that the non firearm freindly sheep of the world
can understand.

i open carry, ill talk to anyone about it even the cops. i am required to
talk to the cops and even show id under the rules of being a cpl holder

and yes open carry on foot is legal. everywhere in michigan.
if your not a felon or on probation you can walk down the street
downtown anywhere and theres not a darn thing anyone can do
michigan has whats called pre emption. no munincipality shall
institute laws or ordinances restriction possesion or carrying of
firearms.  any city or township that restrict open carry is in violation
of michigan state law.

['the DON']

i  damn ford . i agree with you this does not help . i do carry but not in the open.

[RIP_K52007]

I understand what you are saying. I do not carry open or concealed why? because if you shoot someone in defense you are going to prison anyways.

Whether this guy doing this was good or bad for the open carry community I cant say. Like I said above I just posted this because I applaud him for knowing & using his rights and the cop for knowing this guy was not doing anything illegal.

I can not stand it when Police officers do not know the laws they are supposed to enforce. Which is the case in many towns & citys all over the country.

Example:
I have to take a officer to court, this week, on MY time (MY tax $ paying for him to be there and the judge) just to prove to him that I had 72 hours to get a plate on a truck that I bought.

Thats not a gun case of course but the same applies to anyone who gets ticketed/imprisoned by a cop that did not know the law.

[damn_ford]

I understand what you are saying. I do not carry open or concealed why? because if you shoot someone in defense you are going to prison anyways.

not true. michigan has adopted the castle doctrine. you have no duty to retreat if you or someone immediatly close to you is in mortal danger.
a good shoot is a good shoot. your statement pre laywer should be "i feared for my life" thats it. get legal council and all will be fine on a good shoot. you may be held. might loose your gun. but other than that theres plenty of pro 2a laywers that would take a self defense shooting case pro bono just to get precident set in the court system with there name on it.

if your legal, carry. take your cpl class and carry concealed. these are ruff times we live in.

[RIP_K52007]

I couldnt afford the ammo let alone the gun or the classes

Wasnt trying to offend anyone with this video. Just thought it was interesting.

[damn_ford]

I couldnt afford the ammo let alone the gun or the classes

Wasnt trying to offend anyone with this video. Just thought it was interesting.

your good. these type of threads help enlighten people to the law... i enjoy them whenever they
pop up anywhere.

[poorboyzmuddin]

I understand what you are saying. I do not carry open or concealed why? because if you shoot someone in defense you are going to prison anyways.

not true. michigan has adopted the castle doctrine. you have no duty to retreat if you or someone immediatly close to you is in mortal danger.
a good shoot is a good shoot. your statement pre laywer should be "i feared for my life" thats it. get legal council and all will be fine on a good shoot. you may be held. might loose your gun. but other than that theres plenty of pro 2a laywers that would take a self defense shooting case pro bono just to get precident set in the court system with there name on it.

if your legal, carry. take your cpl class and carry concealed. these are ruff times we live in.

i agree

[Hammerlane]

Excellent discussion gentlemen..

must say I see both sides of the argument.

[BIG DOG]

     i seldom open carry  and do have a cpl    and have it on me often   or in the glovebox 

[989F150904]

Well, I agree with what the guy was doing and read his explanation for how and why he did it. It's the criminals that you need to worry about... Not the law abiding citizens

Also, Agee with damnford

[Hammerlane]

I feel the cops have created their own sense of defensivness..
we the people.. have a substantial amount of distrust in them.. they can (and sometimes will)
turn on you.. even if you present yourself in a respectful / cooperative manner.. now your considered
to potentially be "hiding" something.
so.. to speak.. is to chance arrest.. by incrimination (simpy giving the wrong impression with an incorrect word in a sentence) they can and will spin that into something that is offensive enough to "remove you as a threat"
5th amendment removes that potential for incrimination

the documents read - innocent until proven guilty.. the mindset by the cops is guilty until proven innocent!

the vid clearly shows this mindset.. how many cops did you count?
impressive for an individual "Leagally" carrying a firearm.
I understand that this person is "in a public area" and that increases the "threat level" but
I've been stopped and questioned on my own property.. yet, haven't even had a moving violation in almost 10 yrs.

they let him go for 2 reasons, 1 - leagally there was nothing they could do
                                                2. - by letting him go, they prevented an increase in threat level
this inidviduals reaction to the officer will clearly paint a target on his back, and they WILL speak with him again I am sure.
as now they are looking for a reason to speak with him because of what is called "contempt of cop"

had he spoken, the potential to self incriminate raises dramatically, yet failure to speak paints him as a disrespectful/suspicious target

I'm curious to know, what they would have had him do had he cooperated,  cover it up?  (hmm concealed)
here, let us hold that for you so you don't make people nervous (as he stated upon approach)
or does anyone truely believe they would have let him go

[RIP_K52007]

I think the fact he was carrying a video camera had alot to do with it personally.. Its a impossible question to answer because it all depends on what cop approaches you and how his day has been going.

Which I say is bull.. hate it when they twist the law just because they had a rough day.

[Hammerlane]

I think the fact he was carrying a video camera had alot to do with it personally.. Its a impossible question to answer because it all depends on what cop approaches you and how his day has been going.

Which I say is bull.. hate it when they twist the law just because they had a rough day.

EXACTLY my point!

[Hammerlane]

this is something i feel strongly about.

talk to the cop. how do you know there not looking for someone
dressed the same for a shooting around the corner? good way
to get arrested is all it was and possibly ruffed up on top of it

take the oportunity to do good pr for the open carry comunity.
cops need to be on our side to further the 2a cause. with jackholes like this
its leaves a bad taste in officers mouths towards oc ers in general.
the statement the guy thinks hes making is voided by the fact that
he snubbed the cop. nothing was accomplished other than stroking the
vid makers ego. if your going to make a statement at least represent
yourself in a way that the non firearm freindly sheep of the world
can understand.

i open carry, ill talk to anyone about it even the cops. i am required to
talk to the cops and even show id under the rules of being a cpl holder

and yes open carry on foot is legal. everywhere in michigan.
if your not a felon or on probation you can walk down the street
downtown anywhere and theres not a darn thing anyone can do
michigan has whats called pre emption. no munincipality shall
institute laws or ordinances restriction possesion or carrying of
firearms.  any city or township that restrict open carry is in violation
of michigan state law.

Now lets look at it from this perspective..

did he go out with the intent of confrontation or to "stand his ground" as far as open carry is concerned.
good bet, bad PR for the open carry community..
I did speak with the deputy, he now knows who I am, recognises me in town
I resent the implication when he stopped at my house, I was on my property and presented no threat..
and was able to "walk away" with "at least cover it up"
however.. had I been in town or public place the chances of my "walking away" would have greatly diminished

How we "open carry" joe public types present the open carry to the general public is how we will be labled.

I open carry on my property, wave to people, carry on conversation with pedestrians as I would any other day of the week,
the neighbors know me, lil scared of me but believe I'm just an avg. joe
Im not jamming the issue down peoples throats or "testing" the authority of law enforcement... yet!  (as this guy appears to be doing)

both sides of the coin.. thoughts

[RIP_K52007]

this is something i feel strongly about.

talk to the cop. how do you know there not looking for someone
dressed the same for a shooting around the corner? good way
to get arrested is all it was and possibly ruffed up on top of it

take the oportunity to do good pr for the open carry comunity.
cops need to be on our side to further the 2a cause. with jackholes like this
its leaves a bad taste in officers mouths towards oc ers in general.
the statement the guy thinks hes making is voided by the fact that
he snubbed the cop. nothing was accomplished other than stroking the
vid makers ego. if your going to make a statement at least represent
yourself in a way that the non firearm freindly sheep of the world
can understand.

i open carry, ill talk to anyone about it even the cops. i am required to
talk to the cops and even show id under the rules of being a cpl holder

and yes open carry on foot is legal. everywhere in michigan.
if your not a felon or on probation you can walk down the street
downtown anywhere and theres not a darn thing anyone can do
michigan has whats called pre emption. no munincipality shall
institute laws or ordinances restriction possesion or carrying of
firearms.  any city or township that restrict open carry is in violation
of michigan state law.

Now lets look at it from this perspective..

I understand where hes coming from completely. This guy did not do any good for the open carry community when it comes to how the people see open carriers.

And VS. the odds and the looks of the neighborhood it would be some timing to do this the same time they were looking for someone dressed the same.

Given the attitude it takes to stand there and say nothing I'd say this guy was better off keeping his mouth shut LOL

[Hammerlane]

Given the attitude it takes to stand there and say nothing I'd say this guy was better off keeping his mouth shut LOL

have to agree, in this situation he probably was..
however, I think he was testing authority more than expressing his rights.

[damn_ford]

hammerlane      as far as a cop stopping you on your own property
if there is no reasonable suspicion a crime is being committed they have no right to detain you
or even request ID. if they show up again especially on your own property simply ask "am i being
detained officer?" if he says no tellum to have a nice day and kindly get off your property. regardless
what cops think they cant trespass unless investigating a crime or LEGITAMATE suspicion of one

legally open carrying a gun is not reasonable suspicion. been tested in court
and the leo lost

now up for debate is if you have your cpl your required to disclose your a cpl holder to a police officer
if you are carrying concealed. some feel the need to disclose is voided when your open carrying